Talk:Eastern mud turtle

Kinosternon subrubrum steindachneri
Removed with no longer a subspecies? It was valid on the January 2012 IUCN TFTSG checklist (page 000.178). Regards, SunCreator (talk) 11:35, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Merge proposal
See discussion at Talk:Mud turtle. RN1970 (talk) 14:56, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Copied from above mentioned talk (please add comments here, not on Talk:Mud turtle):

Mud turtle is a complete mess and a WP:CONTENTFORK. It should be merged. The problem is how it should be merged. Most of the text in mud turtle is clearly specific to the eastern mud turtle (arguing for a merge with that article), but the current article name "mud turtle" is synomous with Kinosternon (arguing for a merge with that article). Disregarding all the formating issues in the article, the best would therefore be to: This proposal (merging Mud turtle into Eastern mud turtle) would resolved the first part. If this goes through, I'll deal with the second part later. Comments? RN1970 (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Merge mud turtle article into eastern mud turtle. The name "mud turtle" now incorrectly redirects to "eastern mud turtle", but all text specific to the latter species is in that article.
 * 2) Move Kinosternon to "mud turtle" over redirect.


 * Agree I believe it would be best to merge the relevant information from this page into the eastern mud turtle since the majority of it appears to be about that species. Please also ensure that the link to Pelomedusidae is removed from the taxobox as that family has nothing to do with this species. Any additional information that is more relevant at a more generic level can be added to the Kinosternon genus page. Cheers, Faendalimas  talk 17:36, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, Pelomedusidae clearly malplaced; removed. If the pages are merged as proposed, I'll deal with the most problematic issues in the new "combined" page. RN1970 (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Agree that the relevent information currently in mud turtle should be merged into eastern mud turtle, but the common name 'mud turtle' refers to many different species, not just the eastern mud turtle. 'Mud turtle' should be a disambiguation page, as it was originally created, refering to the various different species which use that common name. Dawson (talk) 17:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, the name mud turtle is synomous with Kinosternon. All species in this genus are called mud turtles, and I can't think of any other (outside Kinosternon) where the name is used with any level of regularity. However, something may have slipped my mind, and if someone knows a non-Kinosternon regularly called mud turtle, please do say. This could support a disambiguation page. Otherwise, section #2 in my first comment stands, per WP:AT (if someone can think of a non-Kinosternon called mud turtle occasionally, it would still support #2 in my above comment, but with a hatnote → WP:2DABS). RN1970 (talk) 18:20, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Species of the genus Pelusios are referred to as African mud turtles, such as the West African mud turtle and Adanson’s mud turtle, and at least a half-dozen others. Dawson (talk) 18:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * This seems a fair point, I personally do not use common names much but they are useful. Hence I agree with the above point that a disambiguation page should be maintained for this term. Faendalimas  talk 14:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Dawson. Yes, that seems reasonable. In summary, do the merge (#1 in first comment), but change mud turtle to a disambiguation afterwards (instead of #2 in first comment). RN1970 (talk) 21:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Agree. If not merged a redirect should be created. LieutenantLatvia (talk) 03:14, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Agree. Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 02:29, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Starting to merge. Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 02:29, 8 December 2013 (UTC)