Talk:Edict of Expulsion

Addition to Planned apology
Planned apology says: "In July 2021, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, announced that the Church of England would in 2022 offer a formal “act of repentance”, on the 800th anniversary of the Synod of Oxford, which passed a set of laws that restricted Jews’ rights to engage with Christians in England that led to the expulsion of 1290. Historically, the Synod predated Church of England’s creation in 1534."

The last sentence in that section implies some irrelevance in the planned apology, as if the Church of England is unrelated to the Catholic Church of 1222 England.

Although the Synod of Oxford predated the Church of England by over 200 years, the office of Archbishop of Canterbury predated the Synod by almost 700 years. Besides, the Church of England was not newly formed in 1534—it was the direct continuation of the Catholic Church in England in its entirety, unaltered in any way (at first) except with the king as its head instead of the pope. Since it was an archbishop of Canterbury (Stephen Langton) who convened the Synod of Oxford in 1222, it is entirely appropriate that the act of repentance be made by his direct successor, the current archbishop, in 2022.

Therefore, I'm adding to that sentence so that the section now reads: "In July 2021, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, announced that the Church of England would in 2022 offer a formal "act of repentance", on the 800th anniversary of the Synod of Oxford in 1222, which passed a set of laws that restricted Jews' rights to engage with Christians in England and eventually led to the expulsion of 1290. Historically, the Synod predated the Church of England's creation in 1534, but the Archbishopric of Canterbury dates to before AD 600."

I've also copyedited the section. —8.9.93.141 (talk) 05:12, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Needs more sources
or better sources for the details here. They are too modern so they have a modern bias. This article is about a very old historical event. To comply with WPs neutrality policy, need to find an older source that's reliable. I copied the text in question.

"Economically, Jews played a key role in the country. The Church then strictly forbade the lending of money for profit, creating a vacuum in the economy of Europe that Jews filled because of extreme discrimination in every other economic area, as Jews were prohibited from practicing any art or craft, which were under the monopoly of Christian guilds.[6] Canon law was not considered applicable to Jews, and Judaism does not forbid loans with interest between Jews and non-Jews.[7] Taking advantage of their unique status as his direct subjects, the King could appropriate Jewish assets in the form of taxation. He levied heavy taxes on Jews at will, without having to summon Parliament."[8] 2601:601:51A:D1A:30DC:F336:5C68:7BD2 (talk) 23:05, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Duplicative content
I think there is too much background information in this article, which is largely duplicated on History of the Jews in England and also History of the Jews in England (1066–1290). Some of the points are just too general (eg, explaining feudalism) but overall it seems bad practice to have three articles making broadly the same points in different ways, especially when they are all neatly organised by a navigation table. I'm hoping editors will be OK with some pruning and rationalisation. Jim Killock (talk) 11:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I've done most of the pruning but will next come back with references, and then work on improving the main text Jim Killock (talk) 13:39, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Anti semitism in English identity, statement in the lead
An editor via IP edits has twice removed the sentence: The expulsion had the lasting effect of embedding antisemitism into English culture from the lead. In the body of the article the following is found, in "Significance": "The expulsion had a lasting effect on medieval and early-modern English culture. Antisemitic narratives became embedded in the idea of England as unique because it had no Jews. Jews became an easy target of literature and plays, and tropes such as child sacrifice and host desecration persisted. Jews began to settle in England after 1656, and formal equality was achieved by 1858. According to medieval historian Colin Richmond, English antisemitism left a legacy of neglect of this topic in English historical research as late as the 1990s. The story of Little Saint Hugh was repeated as fact in local guidebooks in Lincoln in the 1920s, and a private school was named after Hugh around the same time. The logo of the school, which referenced the story, was altered in 2020." I think the lead summary is justified from that, but I am going to qualify it as "especially in the medieval and early modern period." The sources, especially Richmond as cited argue the legacy continues into the C20th and this is also reflected above. I do not think there is a justification for removing the statement. As per WP:STATUSQUO the text should remain on page while this is resolved here. Jim Killock (talk) 21:47, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I have also clarified how the antisemitic beliefs related to the expulsion, being that there was a belief that England was unique because it had no Jews, and that the English had superceded the Jews as the chosen people. Hopefully that is clearer now. Jim Killock (talk) 17:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)