Talk:Education/Archive 2

History
I think the history of eductation needs expansion and probably its own page. It oughta include such events as the creation of Plato's Academy and such methods as apprenticeship. I would like to see a good bit about the development of current education methods and practices, such as giving degrees and tests, from the simple unorganized teaching of children by family, including reasons why each change was made and. There already is a category section on history of education, but it could use the summary and direction of an article. I don't have the information to do such a thing though.

I already made a request for this - and put it on the "Expand page" of the Community portal.

Jackiespeel 17:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Obeng de Lawrence
This fellow seems to be putting himself about wikipedia a bit. He appears in the list of prominent educationalists, but I'm fairly sure he doesn't belong in the same list as Aristotle! (See Discussion. - Jamorama 14:58, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

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Expanding the article
I added a list of possible topics and related categories that can be used to help expand this article. Rfrisbietalk 05:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Here are some search links on "Education":. Rfrisbietalk 13:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Compulsory education
I'd like to suggest a link be placed in the Formal education section in this article, to Compulsory education (which itself needs drastic expansion).

I was originally looking for a world-map or chart comparing mandatory education ages/levels internationally (does anyone know if that exists here yet? it would make a useful graphic). --Quiddity 00:38, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Picture
The picture at the top of the article is described as being of a German school in the 1930s. Given the desk and chair design at the right of the picture, this is fairly clearly not the case. This needs to be checked with the photo's originator. WMMartin 14:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

No-one else appears to be interested in this picture, so I've adjusted the caption. Whilst the picture may include some 1930s artifacts, unless the Germans had access to time machines it is unlikely that they had plastic and tubular-steel chairs in their schools. WMMartin 17:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

How to split the article?
This article is too long and right from the introduction it seems clear to me that the article should be split somehow, thus the addition of the split message box at the top. Education is an important field, how could we get well-rounded articles? First of all, there could be a disambiguation page to the different meanings of the word:

* Education (science) * Education (consciously acquired knowledge) * Education system

You can come up with better classification and naming. Further, each of these topics could be started with an introduction, described by main points, and extended on additional articles, as instructed at Summary style. For example, the articles on the science and the system could delegate discussing teaching and teachers to the separate article. I did some minor cleanup but I'm mostly infamiliar with the field. --TuukkaH 12:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree. There should be an article titled Education that summarizes the field and links to more specific articles about education. The present article has gradually improved over the last couple of years, but still needs work. Disambiguation, to whatever degree is required, can be handled by a combination of disambiguation links at the top of this article and possibly a separate disabiguation page. Nesbit 17:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * So what would you include in the article structure and the introduction? Or, the defining sentence. The current one is "Education is the development of individuals' capacity to be productive members of society, by teaching and learning specific knowledge, beliefs, and skills." It's not clear to me that this could lead to a well-rounded handling of all the separate meanings of education. --TuukkaH 23:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean by well-rounded. The structure of the current article probably does need to be tweaked, but of course it can only be a top-level summary of a very broad field. I don't see that that the current article is a barrier to developing articles (some of which have already been started) that describe different "meanings" of education in more detail. The dictionary definitions of education seem to fall into three closely related categories: (1) the process of teaching and learning (2) the product of that process (3) the study (and presumably the 'design science') of that process. These are sufficiently related to allow coverage in the same education article. Of course they are often dealt with separately in the many education-related articles on WP. Nesbit 04:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've deleted the "history of education" section; it was just cluttering up the page and there's already a separate article for the subject. 62.25.106.209 12:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The split was proposed on 23 July. There seems no concensus for the split.  In my view it isn't necessary and as per User:Nesbitt the Wikipedia should have an overview article on Education.  Given the lack of concensus to support the split to a disambiguation page, I am removing the tag.--Golden Wattle  talk 23:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)