Talk:Elizabeth of Portugal

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"a poet, and known as Ré Lavrador, or the working king, from his work in is country's service." in this article - I will correct it, but I would thank if someone would check it because of my english - there are some errors. - In portuguese, Ré is a musical note, the D in english! - Rei Lavrador doesn't mean worker king, that would be Rei Trabalhador, D. Dinis (or Denis) was called Farmer King (I'm not sure if farmer is a correct translation) because he planted some woods near a placed called Leiria (pine), the wood would later be used to make the boats used on the portuguese "discoverys" - again, I don't know how to say it in english, "descobrimentos". -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rex Nihil (talk • contribs)

I'm surprised this article is still rated start class, for it reads well. The big loophole or area that isn't addressed, which I don't feel comfortable addressing away from real history and hagiography books, is that her spouse was a notorious womanizer. So part of Isabela's saintly ways was taking care of his mistresses and/or illegitimate children.... Still, her spouse Denis or Dinis is considered one of the best kings Portugal ever had, for the most part keeping peace and establishing a justice system that allowed prosperity. BTW, though I've never taken a Portuguese class and can't claim fluency, I think Lavrador meant agricultural worker in the medieval era if not today, since the patron saint of Madrid, Isidro Labrador, is/was a medieval farmer. In Spanish I think trabajar got more use in the modern era as people started working in cities.Jweaver28 (talk) 11:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Names
I feel I'm fighting against a tide of geneologists (I frankly can't remember the name of the Britsh peerage register) in urging that Spanish and Portuguese names not be translated into English. Frankly, I think this Isabela was the saintly namesake for lots of Spanish and Portuguese girls, probably including the one who became the queen who financed Christopher Columbus. Clearly, no one called this woman Elizabeth at any time in her life, since even the educated English of her day spoke French and Latin. The translation into English custom arose in England when even educated people spoke that but not other languages (18th and 19th centuries). Now, in America and probably elsewhere in the world, it's considered rude or a throwback to the Victorian era (British empire).Jweaver28 (talk) 11:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If there is anything that is routinely anglicized without any controversy at all, it is the names of popes and medieval saints. There is nothing rude about following the sources. Surtsicna (talk) 16:57, 10 April 2019 (UTC)