Talk:Elton on the Hill

Still lacking
A history section. Quite a lot could be gathered from the list of priests and patrons that's posted up in the church and from the monuments inside and in the churchyard. The Launders, Nortons, Grantleys and Fletcher Nortons could then be googled fruitfully to produce a narrative. One big question is WHEN Elton shrank to its present small size: in the late Middle Ages or after the 18th-century enclosures, perhaps? I'm afraid this would call for a visit to Elton, which I can't make at the moment, so over to somebody else! Bmcln1 (talk) 10:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

If you do the writing I'll do a bit of legwork for you ;-) If it's going round the churchyard taking notes I have some very able child labour lined up!

I think Elton has a much higher number of "significant" houses than anywhere else I've been ... why?

My mother claims Elton doesn't have a parish council, is that true? Is it as unusual as I think? DancingGerbil (talk) 10:57, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I think that's an excellent idea, J, and the Eltonites would be grateful, at least in the long term! Do you think you could photograph the big Launder tomb from both sides? It's by the chancel door and the inscriptions are in Latin but I can sort that out with someone here. Then there is the grave of John Player (John Player No. 1 or a less eminent descendant?) in the SE corner of the churchyard. What year did Elton's Harry Potter die in? As you come in from the Granby Lane gate, his grave is on the right just as the flagstone path curves round the tower. The rectors were great guys, I'm sure, but before we mention too many of them we'd have to establish some fame or notoriety beyond being rector, I think. Perhaps on two occasions the lord of the manor (owner of the advowson) put a member of his own family into the living. I'm not sure the complete list of priests and patrons needs to go up on the site, but it could be stored here, in Talk. Then if anything interesting ever turned out, as it did with the founder of Newbo Abbey, we'd be ready. The real gap I feel: WHEN did the Comte de Pully sell Elton Manor to his cousin, Lord Grantley? What did LG do with it? Village tradition has it that he hardly visited the place. (Story of him looking out of the train and seeing it in the distance and asking someone whose house it was. Urban, or rather rural legend, I'm sure.) Other people either rented the manor or bought it BETWEEN Lord Grantley and Noel Parr, so I think that gap needs to be filled, in our research, even if they don't really warrant a mention on the page. Still, if they were patrons of the living, that would mean they owned it and weren't just tenants (tertiary evidence, you might say). Still, you might find that Reddett-Bailey (spelling, simply heard this name a couple of times) was lord-lieutenant of Notts or something. Lord Grantley, if we can get him in the story, wrote a book of poems that was published and served in the Boer War, I believe. That's almost as good as founding a breed of cooking apple, surely! The diamond-shaped (female?) hatchments in the chancel would be worth photographing too, as the best secondary sources for members of the Launder/Norton family. Someone has suggested (I think Rev. Bronwyn Gamble's husband) that the Afro heads imply a West Indian origin for their money and therefore, of course, involvement in the slave trade or benefits from it. That argument seems to be a bit tenuous and would need a year or two at the College of Heralds to confirm! I think Parson Wetherall is commemorated by the stained glass window over the altar, which shows Jesus---doing what? The window might be a "peg" on which to hang a mention of the rector. Also on or in the church somewhere are Noel Parr's dates, as the clock was installed in his memory. The dog graves are in the far NW corner of the park fairly near the wall. I suppose you should phone Mrs Powell or Mrs Ellis (both next-door neighbours of Mary Browne) before you penetrate the thicket to find them. That corner is where the old rectory stood until the manor was built larger and the priest booted over the other side of the main road, but there's nothing to see there. Other questions: When did the post office close? When did Holes Newark Ales buy the pub? They may have changed its name from the Norton Arms to the Manor Arms. Elton does have a parish council and a parish church council. I think Mary Mackie is the driving force behind both. Sorry to be so long-winded. Best to everyone, especially the indefatigable DAncingGerbil! Bmcln1 (talk) 11:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Leave it with me! Is Elton still a stub? Surely not. DancingGerbil (talk) 12:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

These ratings and gradings descend from on high. I pay no attention to them. Bmcln1 (talk) 20:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Pictures here. Harry Potter died 1987 (I've photographed the headstone). We bumped into Mrs Browne at the church luckily! The postoffice closed around 20 years ago, I'll try and find something "official". Hope this helps. More than happy to do more of the same if it helps. DancingGerbil (talk) 12:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Brilliant, J, very many thanks. Bmcln1 (talk) 13:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

A note to myself, basically: "WHOM THEREFORE YE IGNORANTLY WORSHIP HIM I DECLARE VNTO YVO" (Acts 17.24, St Paul addressing the Athenians) "IN LOVING MEMORY OF ROBERT WEATHERELL RECTOR OF ELTON FROM 1863 TO 1883"

Small points to consider (not in any order)

 * The Belvoir Hunt would meet once a year at Elton crossroads. When did that stop? Where were the main coverts to be hunted? I can remember one was called Jericho.
 * What were the dates of the three barn conversions (at Home Farm, Ridge Farm and Rectory Farm)? The whole of Elton is zoned agricultural so no new-builds are allowed. The bungalows on each side of Grange Farm were the last two new houses to slip under the net.
 * The cottage by the Manor gates was the post office until when?
 * There are two gravestones of dogs in the spinny at the NW corner of the Park. That was the site of the original rectory (till when?) Bmcln1 (talk) 10:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

1851 visit to Elton Rectory
From Katherine A. Forrest: ''Manx Recollections. Memorials of Eleanor Elliott'' (London/Douglas IOM, 1894), beg. of Ch. XII. [http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/fulltext/kf1893/index.htm. Retrieved 30 December 2010.]

''IT was in 1851 Mrs. Elliot's brother, the Rev. Robert Weatherell, was appointed to the living of Elton, near Nottingham. This same year he was married to Miss Lydia Thorpe, whom he had met at Coddington, near Newark, where he had his first curacy.

''During the first year of her brother's married life, Mrs. Elliott went to pay him and his bride a visit. She was delighted with her new sister-in-law; and from this time they became life-long friends. Their correspondence is almost voluminous, and many of the letters edifying in the extreme. Everything almost seems to have been discussed amongst them but gossip–gossip has no place on these glowing pages; they breathe an atmosphere of pure and holy friendship and heart-satisfying peace and trust, and sweet heavenly joy illumined at times with sallies of mirth, and an imagination on Eleanor's part as of a flower spontaneously open to the brilliant and warm sunshine, and its petals reflecting the radiance above. The sight of Elton, when she first viewed it as the home and sphere of labour of her brother, charmed her poetical fancy. The fair Rectory looked to her as a nest of domestic comfort, and prophetic of a thousand innocent family joys; the garden as a paradise of quiet beauty, and the ancient ivy-clad church as a picture of interest retro spective and prospective. The old country churchyard, where the "forefathers of the hamlet sleep," provided a theme of contemplation ready to hand for the thoughtful spectator. Then the surroundings–they had their beauties and their interests that quite filled, Eleanor's heart to over flowing; above all her eye dwelt with admiration on Belvoir Castle, the not far distant beautiful and ancient seat of the Dukes of Rutland. On the evening when she was first driven to see this picturesque pile, it looked like a stately structure in a dream–rising, as it seemed, out of a cloud of deep blue vapour; and the far extending umbrageous foliage that sur rounded it, steeped in the prevailing ethereal hue.'' Bmcln1 (talk) 23:17, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

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