Talk:Emeryville Crescent State Marine Reserve

Illegal activities
It doesn't matter if illegal activities occur everywhere. The point is that certain crimes are problems here, and the unauthorized camping for example is something to note about the park, and was given prominance in the parks website. I think we should not mention crimes that happen anywhere, but we should mention this parks, particular problems since the park report complains about it.CholgatalK! 07:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I really don't understand why you think this is important. And the info comes from another website, not the official park website. But if you want, I will let you put the unauthorized camping in the paragraph, since it is probably the most unusual crime that is worth mentioning. Chris! my talk 00:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

It may not be the subject's official website but it is a reliable source the spartina removal project is from the Coastal Conservancy and other government agencies of California and the bulk of the information i got was from that site when i wrote this article. I think if we mention the fishing which is much more common for a waterfront area we should mention the other things that happen there. You're right being drunk is not a crime nor is drinking, they used the term "illegal... inhebriation", i think its of note that a report on the state of the park from a government agency found that the public drunkeness at this site was significatn enough to be a problem area, and i think the same goes for the littering, for example Point Isabel Regional Shoreline is noted for being nearly spotless, this reserve which has more or less limited public access has problems with trash, it should be mention Emery Crescent blah blah blah marine reserve...spartina... has lots of garbage... because not all parks are treated like a trash heap.CholgatalK! 20:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The info may be according to a reliable source, but how is it important? Just because the government thinks it is important, doesn't mean wikipedia has to do so as well. I will let other crimes stay, but definitely not the drinking one. Chris! my talk 00:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Also littering is as same as disposal of garbage, so no need to repeat the same thing. Chris! my talk 00:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Littering and Dumping are differant things, maybe you don't understand, but that is why they mention them separatly in the source. Litter is water bottled, plastic bags...any thing you would find in a garbage can, but Dumping is the practice of putting an old refrigerator or stove or wheels or a bike and putting it in your car and taking it somewhere desolate and abandoning it there. Some places only have dumping as a problem, some places just litter, some places more one than the other, some both, get it now? =) As for drinking, drinking is illegal in the united states anywhere public, you can be arrested or fined, or have the alchohol confiscated, you can't even have an opened bottle in a public places, ESPECIALLY a park, sometimes there are exceptions like parades or a special permitt. In the United States it is illegal to be drunk in public, the police can even arrest people in a bar if they are drunk, although usually people are arrested for being drunk outside. If I had a park i sure would think it was a problem if drunk people were always hanging out in my park and illegally drinking there.CholgatalK! 12:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Again, littering is absolutely not notable. And being drunk is not a crime and not notable. Also, in wikipedia, we don't have use the exact same words with references. Remember WP:N is a very important policy as well. Chris! my talk 00:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for pointing out the wrong policy. Actually WP:TRIV is more suitable in this situation. Chris! my talk 00:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You don't believe me that being drunk in public is illegal? It is illegal to be drunk in public in the United States, and also to have an open can or bottle of alchohol. Why do you believe that litter is not notable? I think if there are verifiable sources for a park being littered or clean, pristine or polluted such things deserve mention, I dont think it is trivia. I'd say trivia would be somthing like, One time madonna was driving by and got a fine of 500$ for littering at this park, thats trivia. But the littering problem is a notable issue of concern.CholgatalK! 03:29, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Read this sentance taken from the source used in the article:" Illegal activities such as dumping and littering, unauthorized camping, and public inebriation also occur along the edges of, and sometimes within, the marshlands of this site."


 * Again we don't have to copy everything for a source in Wikipedia. We decide what is notable ourselves. Being verified doesn't make it notable. Also you don't understand what is trivia. Trivia means unimportant facts. Chris! my talk 18:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * i really think the litter problem is important, would you compromise if there were a simple way to state dumping and littering in the same sentance? i guess the drunkeness isn't that important, so ill drop it.CholgatalK! 01:32, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, garbage seems to be a good and short word that covers both dumping and littering all together. So we will stick with that. Chris! my talk 23:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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