Talk:Emily Kinney

Emily's age
Do we have an official source saying she is 25 years old? In a post on her official blog, she stated she is 25 years old - almost 26? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.249.66.154 (talk) 10:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I found this source, where she tells her birthday: http://ask.fm/EmilyKinneyRP2.162.236.172 (talk) 09:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Just to be sure i've added a reference of an article that's actually focussed on the age difference between the actress and who she plays. To be honest, i find it annoying if movie/series makers take their audience for fools to not see the discrepancy. This reference also establishes the notability. PizzaMan (♨♨) 15:04, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


 * PizzaMan, I reverted you (followup note here) because I don't see how your addition is accurate. You added that she was 27 at the time she was cast as Beth; that's inaccurate, and the source, which is from 2013 (just one year ago), does not support that inaccuracy. And if the source did support it, then, per WP:Verifiability, we should report what both sources state; not simply what one of them states. Unless, of course, it's WP:Undue weight in the case of one of the sources. Furthermore, what "take their audience for fools" matter are you referring to? Kinney looks like a teenager to a lot of people; I am one of the many people who didn't know she is well into her twenties, and I am no fool. I found out near the beginning of this year what her actual age is. Flyer22 (talk) 15:25, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


 * She does look pretty young for her age, but i think using a 25yo actress for a 16yo girl is stretching it. I didn't fall for it, but i can see how many people would. Either way, we have reliable sources on her age. When season two episode one aired she was 26 and two months, so she probably was 25 in some scenes and 26 in others. Either way, the reference i added was obviously misinformative, but it does establish that she played a 16yo girl and it establishes the notability of the age difference, so why remove it? PizzaMan (♨♨) 02:06, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


 * PizzaMan (last time pinging you via WP:Echo because you'll check back here if you want to read replies), it's common to cast people in their early 20s as teenagers, especially since these two age groups are often indistinguishable age-wise. For example, it's usually difficult to tell an 18-year-old apart from a 20-year-old, age-wise. Sure, Kinney was in her mid-20s, but a lot of mid 20-somethings still look like teenagers (late teenagers especially). Ralph Macchio, Patrick Dempsey and Anthony Michael Hall all looked like teenagers for the longest time. And Hilarie Burton, at age 21, was cast as 16-year-old Peyton Sawyer (see the Personality and wardrobe section of that article). I am one of the people who still gets mistaken for being a late teenager, and I'm certainly not one. As for the source you added, the source is not the problem (at least to me); this is because it's from 2013 and Kinney was 27 going on 28 at one point in 2013, just like she was 28 going on 29 at one point in 2014. It's the way that you added the source that was the problem -- to reiterate, you added that she was 27 at the time she was cast as Beth; that's inaccurate. I don't mind if you readd the source, but I don't see it as needed. Flyer22 (talk) 17:19, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Two more examples of people in their mid or late 20s portraying teenagers include Kristen Bell as Veronica Mars in Veronica Mars...and Andrew Garfield in the latest Spider-Man films. Bell was 24 when she won the role of Veronica Mars; so she was kind of mid-20s. And Garfield was well into his 20s when he first portrayed Spider-Man. With acting, it's usually more about how young you can play than how young you actually are, except for when ageism gets in the way (which happens more to women than to men). Flyer22 (talk) 18:04, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Casting actors that are significantly older than the person they portray is indeed a pretty common a practice. It's not a major crime or anything, but it bothers me, because i don't see the necessity, other than child labour laws limiting the use of minors. But even that doesn't seem to limit many films and series with kids and teens in them. I think it's especially unnecessary in a case such as Beth, who is an invented character anyway not present in the comics. Why not have the actress and portrayed age match up? Anyway, on topic: as long as no one doubts the notability of the age difference in this case, there's no need to add another reference and i like keeping articles as lean as possible on refs. PizzaMan (♨♨) 14:09, 24 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, this page could probably do with further references, certainly on her age as it has been the subject of numerous reverts. Of the eleven citations four appear to be Youtube/video related so if anyone knows of an in-depth interview then that would be very helpful. Keep up the good work! Karst (talk) 14:24, 24 November 2014 (UTC)


 * If there have been discussions and reverts about it in the past we should add the reference. However most sources agree on her birthday being August 15, 1985. But there are sources that should, well, read wikipedia ;-) PizzaMan (♨♨) 23:29, 24 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Often, in those casting cases, PizzaMan, it's that the actor who won the role is the right person for the role. I understand that you or someone else might argue that a different person could have portrayed whatever role in question. But chemistry is very important, essential even, when it comes to acting. There are often times when it's difficult to find another actor that is just as perfect for the role and has just as much chemistry with the other actors. If you have an actor like that, who is in their early 20s, mid 20s or late 20s, and they can pull off being a teenager, why not go with that actor? That's how casting agents, television show creators and filmmakers think on that matter. As for child labor laws, no, that's not a factor in these cases (not usually anyway). But sex scenes can be a factor; another reason to cast an adult actor as, for example, a 16-year-old, is that the series might involve teenage sex scenes, and so, to get past laws on that matter when it comes to underage teenage actors filming a sex scene, adult actors are cast as teenagers. Flyer22 (talk) 14:32, 24 November 2014 (UTC)


 * In case of Beth, since she wasn't in the comic books, there was no reason to have her say she was 16 in the series. The character Beth could have been given an age that comes a little closer to Kinney's age. The sex scenes i get, but then again, it's very possible to show teenagers making love in a not too fleshy way. They don't need to have actual intercourse. PizzaMan (♨♨) 23:29, 24 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I suppose they wanted her to be significantly younger than her sister, Maggie. And actual intercourse won't happen in any sex scene (adult or teenager) anyway unless it's unsimulated sex or pornography. Flyer22 (talk) 15:03, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

February 2015
The ref given for Emily's and Beth's ages is this article. However, neither of their ages are mentioned in that article. So I removed that cite as a ref to the age sentence. You restored it, stating that "The source does mention her". That's correct; the source does mention her. I didn't say the source doesn't mention her. I said the source doesn't mention her age. Am I missing something? --Geniac (talk) 05:05, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Geniac, there is no need to ping me to this talk page via WP:Echo since this talk page is on my WP:Watchlist. As seen here at the Beth Greene article and here at the Emily Kinney article, you stated, "ljstar ref doesn't mention her or Beth's age." I took "her" to mean that you were stating that the source does not mention Kinney; I did not take it as "her age or Beth's age." That is why I noted that the source does mention Kinney when reverting you. As you likely also saw, I re-removed mention of Kinney's age from the Emily Kinney article soon after I reverted you. Flyer22 (talk) 05:35, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Followup edit here. Flyer22 (talk) 05:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * And here. Flyer22 (talk) 05:45, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh! I see. Ok, it was just a misunderstanding of the wording of my edit summary, then. My issue is that this source is attached to the statement "Kinney was cast as a recurring character on AMC's The Walking Dead in 2011, where she played Beth Greene, the 16-year-old sister of Maggie Greene in Season 2, being 25 years old at the time." However, that article says absolutely nothing about Beth's age or Emily's age. --Geniac (talk) 05:50, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, and I see that you re-removed. We obviously need a WP:Reliable source for her age. Flyer22 (talk) 05:59, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Newly added image
I personally think that second image from the Comic Con is redundant given that it's the same event. I thought it'd be better to discuss first before removing it -- Chamith  (talk)  15:28, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I would support removing it especially since it crowds the infobox, really drawing attention to the redundancy. Rosario Berganza 20:55, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, remove it. Flyer22 (talk) 20:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Dating
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/the-walking-deads-norman-reedus-costar-emily-kinney-are-dating-2015176

Majinsnake (talk) 09:38, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a gossip magazine: What Wikipedia is not --PhiladelphiaInjustice (talk) 00:03, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

The Walking Dead heading
keeps adding the The Walking Dead heading to the Career section of this article. I very recently reverted him on this, stating, "This heading is not needed at all. Furthermore, this material is not simply about The Walking Dead." He re-added the heading (followup edit here), stating, "The deleted info is not sourced. Please reenter it with a verifiable source. Also, other television stars' articles include a sub-headline for their main series. People click this page to read about TWD, not Kinney's obscure singing career." I reverted again, making it clear that this should be discussed at this talk page. First of all, I don't know what unsourced material he is referring to, but I was not focused on that. I was/am focused on the entirely unneeded subheading. Subheadings usually are not needed for relatively small sections, and headings usually are not needed for relatively small content; it can usually be combined with other material in another section with an appropriate heading. See MOS:Paragraphs, which states, "Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading." No one is going to overlook the The Walking Dead material because it has no subheading, especially since the inadequate lead of the article is clear that Kinney starred on The Walking Dead. And other than that, I reiterate that some of the content in the subsection that PhiladelphiaInjustice keeps making does not pertain to The Walking Dead. As for the subheading existing in other The Walking Dead actor articles, such as the Andrew Lincoln article, it seems that this is because of PhiladelphiaInjustice as well. That subheading isn't needed in the Andrew Lincoln article either. PhiladelphiaInjustice's WP:Other stuff exists argument is not a strong one.

I'll alert Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television and Talk:The Walking Dead (TV series) to this discussion. Flyer22 (talk) 02:01, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Alerted here and here. Flyer22 (talk) 02:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


 * It’s revert an edit. Not reverting a person. Because who really reverts a person? Did they turn them around till they go dizzy? Rosiedanugbtugn (talk) 17:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Update: Since the pages I contacted about this matter apparently don't care, are any of the other watchers of this article interested in any of what is disputed on this matter? You know, to at least resolve this dispute? ChamithN, any opinion? Have you stopped watching this article? Flyer22 (talk) 11:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Anyway, I see others in the edit history who clearly watch this article, but I know that if they want to comment, they will. I would hate to start a WP:RfC on this subheading topic, but, with the unnecessary subheadings at more than one The Walking Dead actor article, I might. Flyer22 (talk) 11:33, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I had no idea about what's going on here. Anyhow, I too agree that 's emphasize on her Walking Dead career is unnecessary in this case. Like Flyer22 said, short paragraphs are not enough to warrant a separate section as per MOS:Paragraphs. I don't see how it's constructive as it also affects content that doesn't belong to her Walking Dead career. I have seen PhiladelphiaInjustice participating in Walking Dead related discussions. I wonder why he still hasn't commented on this one. --  Chamith   (talk)  12:30, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Kinney is notable only because of her role on TWD, hence my use of the reference headline. Kinney has had no success as a singer, other than her singing on the show. Readers click her page because they want to learn about her TWD part, not to have to tediously filter through meaningless trivia about her unsuccessful singing career. Perhaps I am missing something?--PhiladelphiaInjustice (talk) 23:05, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You should let the readers be the judge of that. How can you be certain that readers are explicitly looking for details related to her TWD career? Even if her music career was unsuccessful like you said, we can't just ignore it like she never even had a music career. And also, Career section is not just about her TWD & music career, it also mentions her involvement in other TV shows/films. I don't think such information is trivial. -- Chamith   (talk)  04:20, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * But my point was that Kinney is only notable encyclopedia-wise because of her role on TWD, not her Z-list acting career of bit parts nor her insignificant singing career. Using an easy-to-find headline cuts to the chase. I am unsure about why including it is so offensive to you.--PhiladelphiaInjustice (talk) 22:29, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Per what I stated above in this section, there is no need for the subheading at all. Flyer22 (talk) 01:35, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not offensive, it just unnecessary, at least for now. Contentwise, details about her role in TWD is not sufficient to sustain a separate section. --  Chamith   (talk)  02:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Did Kinney leave the show in 2014 or 2015?
I realize that there are more pressing questions in the world, but someone is insisting -- via repeated edits-- that Kinney continued to appear in 2015 episodes. When did Kinney actually leave?--PhiladelphiaInjustice (talk) 22:38, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * According to her, she left the show in 2014. And several other sources report about her departure in the mid-season finale. Though she did appear in flashbacks afterwards, I don't think that counts. -- Chamith   (talk)  02:43, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * She left in 2015. Her character died in 5x08, but Emily's last episode was 5x09 (the mid season premiere) where she appeared in a hallucination, and after that she has appeared in a flashback using archive footage. She has stated that she had to go back to filming after her character died, and the episode she's talking about aired in 2015. Emilie Hauge (talk) 10:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It would be great if you can provide a source to confirm all those above. Just because the mid-season premier was aired in 2015, we can't be certain that it was filmed in 2015, until we have verification to prove that. -- Chamith   (talk)  12:03, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Since when does it matter if it was filmed in 2015 or not? Titles are listed after premiere dates, not filming dates. With that logic, the Stages documentary listed in her filmography should say "2010-2011" since that's when it was filmed. Emilie Hauge (talk) 12:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * True that. And I just noticed that even though Hershel died in Too Far Gone, which was aired in 2013, Filmography section in Scott Wilson says "2011–2014" possibly because of his appearance (flashbacks) in "A". But still, it would be great if you can provide the source where she said she had to go back to filming after her character died, so that we can remove the existing source and cite it. -- Chamith   (talk)  14:10, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdLNoCYjgdQ. She talks about going back to set to sing because of Tyreese's hallucinations. Also, according to IMDb, she appears in 36 episodes (not 37 as her page here says), so that should be corrected as well, unless IMDb is wrong. Emilie Hauge (talk) 15:22, 27 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Emiliehaugeballo (Emilie Hauge), I take it that you were the IP editor repeatedly adding that she left in 2015? Whatever the case, a guest appearance is not the same thing as starring on the show/officially being a part of the cast, which is why I made this revert. Kinney's character came to an end in 2014, and she left the show. That she was in a flashback does not make her officially part of the show. And IMDb is generally a poor source for use on Wikipedia; see External links/Perennial websites. Flyer22 (talk) 23:58, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I am not that editor. I must ask you, why are you allowing all of her guest appearances on other shows to be listed in her filmography? I'm sorry, but I do not understand your logic. Emily was a regular for season 5, and is listed in the title sequence in 5x09 (therefore not a guest appearance). She did not appear in a flashback, but in a hallucination that she had to go back to set in order to film, so I don't understand why this episode doesn't qualify for you. I'm quite familiar with Wikipedia's relationship with IMDb. I did not mean to suggest IMDb as a source for the article, but to point out that there is a difference in the number of episodes she's credited in, and that this should be investigated further in case her article on here is wrong. I've counted myself, and I can only find her in 36 episodes. Emilie Hauge (talk) 00:28, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Her final appearance using new footage was 5X9. We know that because we saw it happen. We don't need a source to confirm an actor being in an episode, the show itself can be the source. Whether an appearance is as a guest or regular is irrelevant. If the actor appeared (which she did), then she was a part of the cast making her final appearance in 2015. Flashbacks, as a general rule, do not count unless they are newly created flashbacks involving new footage. Again, as a general rule, flashbacks involving archived footage do not count. A newly created hallucination is not a flashback, however, so her final appearance would be 2015. We do go by the airing date, not the filming date. That's standard practice.Cebr1979 (talk) 04:29, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Emilie Hauge, allowing guest appearances in an article is different than changing the date for when an actor left a show based on a guest appearance. And, Cebr1979, I do think a WP:Reliable source is needed for such matters, given the interpretation debate this topic has resulted in. We should ask WP:TV to weigh in on this; not just specifically this, but about the "updating an actor's leave status because of a guest appearance" aspect. It should be a general discussion, considering that this is not just happening at this article. ChamithN pointed to the Scott Wilson (actor) article above, for example. Flyer22 (talk) 05:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


 * And, Emilie Hauge, I mentioned "flashback" because this discussion addresses "flashback" and the hallucination episode. And when I stated "a guest appearance is not the same thing as starring on the show/officially being a part of the cast," I was referring to the "flashback" aspect and the hallucination episode. Flyer22 (talk) 05:30, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If she was making a guest appearance, why is her name in the title sequence of 5x09? Emilie Hauge (talk) 09:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Because it wasn't a guest appearance. There are sources indicating she was a main cast member for that appearance (such as the show itself via their opening credits), there are no sources indicating her appearance in 5X9 to be a guest appearance.Cebr1979 (talk) 10:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Production section of What Happened and What's Going On (5X9) says, "The episode features several guest appearances by actors whose characters were killed off in previous episodes, including Kinney as Beth, Gilliard, Jr. as Bob, Morrissey as The Governor, Sharbino as Lizzie, Kenedy as Mika, and Coy as Martin." -- Chamith   (talk)  12:40, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Here's a WP:Permalink for that in case someone later changes it; for example, to argue their point here at this talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 13:14, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Other wikipedia pages (which is exactly what you both just linked to) cannot be used as a source. The actual source involved says nothing of the sort. In fact, the word "guest" doesn't even appear once in that article. In other words: someone should change it. Not because it would help anyone "argue their point" but, rather, because it's wrong.Cebr1979 (talk) 13:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding this, it is an IP-hopping registered editor who is aware of this discussion. That editor should see WP:ILLEGIT. We should be going by what the WP:Reliable sources (the WP:Secondary sources) state on this year matter, plain and simple, like the source ChamithN linked to above at "02:43, 27 September 2015 (UTC)" in this section. And any insistence that we should not be doing that is plain wrong. But I am done discussing this aspect for now, especially since I am loath to interact with Cebr1979 in any way. Flyer22 (talk) 03:12, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I fully agree. We should be going by reliable sources and the reliable sources state she was a main cast member for season 5 and nothing states she was ever a guest in that season. I'll make the fix to this page now.Cebr1979 (talk) 22:36, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ...and this edit is correct. As stated above, it is standard practice to go by the airing dates.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:01, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Both(2) have now been fixed.Cebr1979 (talk) 00:06, 2 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I advise editors to point to WP:Reliable sources stating that Kinney was a main cast member for season 5. None are provided in this section, as has been made perfectly clear. There are only assertions that no sources for this are needed and that the air dates are the sources. There is no proof that it is "standard practice to go by the airing dates" on matters such as these. And even if it were standard practice, that doesn't make it right. I've contacted WP:TV about this case. If they don't weigh in on it, or barely weigh in on it, I'll likely start a WP:RfC on the matter. Flyer22 (talk) 05:53, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As per WP:Verifiability, "All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material." Similarly, I'd like to see an inline citation in this case, as the content is obviously disputed. -- Chamith   (talk)  07:11, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I advise you to look things up on your own. It took me less than two seconds to find all of these sources stating she was promoted for season 5. How many sources do you have stating she was a series regular for season 5 except episode 9? None.Cebr1979 (talk) 21:03, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: For the "WP:Reliable sources stating that Kinney was a main cast member" part above, I meant to include "after the season 5 episode Coda (The Walking Dead)." What sources state or indicate that? Flyer22 (talk) 22:45, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As I stated to you here, there is no source needed stating she was a main cast member after Coda (The Walking Dead). There are plenty stating she was a main cast member for season 5. If you want to say she was a main cast member for season 5 except episode 9, you need a source for that! Again, Flyer: there are sources that say she was a series regular (aka: main cast member) for season 5. There are none that say she was a series regular (aka: main cast member) for season 5 but only up until episode 8.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:06, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: Since Cebr1979 has made it a point to repeatedly comment in two different places about this (by that, I mean that this section is supposed to be the main discussion about this matter, which is why I pointed WP:TV editors here), this is my latest reply. Flyer22 (talk) 00:01, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You're being ridiculous. You have "made it a point to repeatedly comment in two different places about this" and anyone with a working eyeball can see that.Cebr1979 (talk) 00:14, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

This conversation was continued elsewhere and has since been archived. It can be read here.Cebr1979 (talk) 04:54, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

She blogs? (women writers? category bloggers?)
Can someone add her information concerning her blogs or columns published in magazines? Is this notable? Why is she categorized for that? Tweeting does not count. I have removed the categories in the meantime. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

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