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American dentist
If it is of any interest, her dentist was called Dr. Evans. He drove her to the coast in his private conveyance. He had enriched himself by exploiting private foreknowledge of Haussmann's plans for Paris. This is all OR, I am afraid, first-hand from somebody who knew Evans well. Seadowns (talk) 15:46, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

the Scots-born William Kirkpatrick of Closbourn
It is my understanding that William Kirkpatrick came from a cadet branch that diverged from the Kirkpatricks of Closeburn centuries earlier. Can a source be provided to clarify his origin?

JF42 (talk) 22:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Burke's Peerage (1949 edition here) gives William as the son of an unnamed sixth son (1728–1799) of Sir Thomas Kirkpatrick, 2nd Baronet. Which contradicts the ancestry table currently given in the article. Opera hat (talk) 02:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I thought this sounded rather improbable, so did a bit more looking. There is an 1858 history of the Kirkpatricks of Closeburn on the National Library of Scotland website here. Pages 68-71 give details of the Empress's descent from Thomas Kirkpatrick of Knock, a contemporary of the first baronet. Opera hat (talk) 15:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Further discussion of the relationship between the Spanish Kirkpatricks and the Kirkpatricks of Closeburn is in Notes and Queries, 1873, pages 89–91, page 200, pages 426–427 and page 453. Opera hat (talk) 15:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That's quite a trove of material. Thank you. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I suggest the passage be amended to reflect the tendentious claim. Whatever his connection, William Kirkpatrick was certainly not "of Closeburn" (and definitely not "of Closbourn"). JF42 (talk) 13:02, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * In the book "William Kirkpatrick of Málaga: Consul, négociant and entrepreneur, and grandfather of the Empress Eugénie" by Colin Carlin (2011), William Kirkpatrick is described as from the Kirkpatricks of Conheath. The Conheath branch was descended from the Kirkpatricks of Kirkmichael branch. Alexander Kirkpatrick was the knight who is credited with capturing the 9th (and last) Earl of Douglas and who was rewarded with the barony of Kirkmichael (near Garvald in Dumfriesshire). Conheath was a property either sold to or gifted to a member of the Kirkmichael branch by a member of the Closeburn branch. Hweha (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

"his half-Scottish, quarter-Belgian, quarter-Spanish wife"
Given that this article is about Eugénie de Montijo and not her mother, does this cumbersome reference really tell us anything  about Maria de Grevigné' that can't be deduced from the subsequent details of her  parentage?

It seems to me to reflect a certain Estadouinense preoccupation with multiplicity of origin that does not exist in Spain. JF42 (talk) 14:13, 24 December 2018 (UTC)