Talk:Eugene Torre

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Eugenio Torre is often called "First Asian Grandmaster". This is incorrect. The first Asian Grandmaster is Alexander Zaitsev of Vladivostok, USSR, who achieved the title in 1967, 7 years before Torre.

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Chess Olympiad record section
The "Chess Olympiad record" section sounds like it was copied from a news account. It may be a copyright violation. Bubba73 (talk), 02:42, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Much of "Wins the 2002 Philippine National Championship" is taken directly from the link at the end too. Bubba73 (talk), 03:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Some of it was taken directly from this blog. Bubba73 (talk), 03:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for identifying these problems. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

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eliminate?
I think most or all of this should be eliminated (from the lead): "following the heels of Fischer-era Filipino chess champions National Master (NM) Ramon Lontoc, International Master (IM) Renato Naranja, IM Rodolfo Tan Cardoso and GM Rosendo Balinas, Jr. Super GM Wesley So is currently the top Philippine chess player." The article is about Torre, and this is in the first paragraph of the lead. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 00:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I think Super GM is inappropriate title for Wesley So. Only GMs with rating of 2700 and above are considered Super GM.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.227.144 (talk) 01:54, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Nowadays I agree-2700 is generally considered the standard to gain consideration for inclusion in the (rather vague) classification of super GM, if not slightly higher. This should be stricken from the lead. Hushpuckena (talk) 12:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree w/ Bubba, the lede is mis-focused and needs rewrite. (Has nothing to do w/ Super or not.) Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 16:38, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Bubba73, there's a lot to be done in bringing this article to standards somewhere near readability, and I've poking and prodding a little. More to come in future too. Hushpuckena (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Photo
That picture of Torre is what one would call unimpressive-he rather looks asleep! Surely we can do better! Hushpuckena (talk) 12:47, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It is the only one in the Commons. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:24, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh well-it was worth a try! Maybe something better will turn up one day. Hushpuckena (talk) 20:43, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

hall of fame 2021? or 2022?
2022 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipCqNeGb2M

2021 - https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/nh1qry/judith_polgar_miguel_najdorf_and_eugenio_torre/

idk? Thewriter006 (talk) 09:45, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Its 2021, the 2022 video is an interview of Torre with the Saint Louis Chess Club, where he is credited as a Hall of Fame inductee.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 11:15, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * salamat! Thewriter006 (talk) 16:02, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * wait sooo inducted 2021 but the speech was in 2022 because of what covid?
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdG4M93FNY8
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONDVbVtrQXw
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_iG5LcHlU Thewriter006 (talk) 12:47, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

can we say philippine 1st GM and asia's 1st GM?
idk that's what i'm doing with alekhine nouri: youngest filipino FM and youngest overall FM

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alekhine_Nouri&type=revision&diff=1114800093&oldid=1113820449

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eugene_Torre&type=revision&diff=1114800703&oldid=1112079177 Thewriter006 (talk) 15:50, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

"first Asian to qualify for the title Grandmaster"
This might be factually inaccurate. Alexander Zaitsev's Grandmaster title was awarded in 1967, about seven years before Torre's was awarded. Is it known precisely when each qualified for it, before it was awarded? I'm asking because seven years is a bit of a gap, and it's hard to imagine Torre qualified for the GM title earlier than Zaitsev did, considering the years of awarding. I don't know, though, I'm just checking. It also appears Rafael Vaganian's GM title was awarded prior to Torre's, so that's another possible earlier Asian holding the GM title. Again, not sure about the time of QUALIFICATION, but the awardings for Zaitsev and Vaganian are clearly earlier than Torre, and at least in Zaitsev's case by a fair number of years. It seems unlikely that Torre qualified for GM more than seven years before actually gaining the title, but I don't know for a fact that that didn't happen. Smyslov (talk) 15:40, 9 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't Understand this. Is Russia not in Asia? 97.85.0.216 (talk) 13:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm saying that from what I see, it appears Alexander Zaitsev was the first Asian to qualify for the title of Grandmaster, and that Rafael Vaganian may have been the second. That would make Torre possibly the third, but I'm not certain about any of this.  That's why I'm asking.  But just from examining Wikipedia itself, Zaitsev's qualification for Grandmaster predates Torre, which would seem to make it chronologically impossible for Torre to be the first Asian Grandmaster. Smyslov (talk) 13:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC)