Talk:Eurasian tree sparrow

New picture
Anyone time to add the following new picture to the article?

Re "maya"
What used to be the National Bird of the Philippines (before it was changed to the Philippine Eagle (Pithecophga jefferyi)) was the Black-headed Munia or Chestnut Munia (Lonchura malacca), not the Eurasian Tree-Sparrow (Passer montanus). Both the Munia and the Sparrow are called maya in the Philipines, which may have caused the confusion about the Eurasian Tree-Sparrow as the former national bird in that country.

Miscellaneous feedback
OK, I will jot some ideas here - I really need to read up on this one:


 * it is therefore roughly 10% smaller than the House Sparrow - bit torn about the use of therefore here. I can see why, but looks a bit...funny...in a bird article without understanding why. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * would ... making it roughly 10% smaller than the House Sparrow.[4] work? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Towards FA (?)
I must say it does look a little funny in the very first sentence it is being described as "smaller than the house sparrow". I think for polished prose, I'd move the segment "slightly smaller than the House Sparrow" to the bottom of para one and make a sentence something like "slightly smaller than (the familiar and more widespread) House Sparrow" or something. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Anything to add about molting Maybe not but thought I'd ask to be thorough. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Otherwise, looks pretty good. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * thanks for suggestions, the 10% isn't really needed in the lead, and I've added a bit on moult. I'll have another read through, and then throw it to the FA wolves jimfbleak (talk) 16:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I was musing on this article today - the immune response bit is intriguing, but when I got round to reading the article quite esoteric and speculative...hmmm. Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Behavioural Ecology and Notes on Improvement
This entry is of FA quality, which means featured article status. Wikipedia’s editing suggestion for this kind of articles says that “no further content addition should be necessary unless new information becomes available”. Still, there is an active editing history. The content again follows the common structure employed in WikiProject Bird entries. The entry also offers a lot of details on Eurasian Tree Sparrow’s mating behavior. They either breed in isolation or in loose colonies. Males declare a territory and attract females. It seems that males attract females by displaying the quality of resources that he has owned. The article also talks about a significant level of promiscuity in males. How do females usually respond to their social mates’ extra-pair mating? How do they resolve the sexual conflict in an evolutionary sense? Is there sperm competition within a female’s vaginal tract? These questions remain to be addressed in the article. The language used in the entry is considerably factual and neutral. No personal opinions or biases are shown. Though I keep pushing the breeding sections to include explanations behind the facts, it might be beyond the scope of a bird entry to delve into such depth. Therefore links to specific sexual selection, sperm competition and sexual conflict related pages may be a better way to provide the more general concepts. Tianyi Cai (talk) 12:41, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, there's definitely more that could be added, as in probably all featured articles. If somebody could get ahold of The Tree Sparrow by Summers-Smith …
 * As for the questions, remember there's a lot we don't know in biology—these might not be known for sparrows and their allies, and for this species in particular (a lot of this likely ought to be added to House Sparrow—interesting to see your thoughts). I think not only nests, but male physical condition (shown in part by plumage), age (a big predictor of breeding success in House Sparrows), and singing ability (and what that entails) are shown. In House Sparrows, it seems females are the ones looking for extra-pair mating—while the males spend a ton of time guarding their mates. &mdash;innotata 01:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You still might want to look through papers and add stuff here; you'll have to add the links you suggest, since I can't tell what those would be. &mdash;innotata 12:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Subspecies
The article says there are eight subspecies, but only seven are named. What's wrong? - Dick Bos (talk) 15:54, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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