Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2003

Turkey
Hello, Fonzy. I see that you removed "Turkey" from the bit in the opening paragraph which said who won. But aren't people more usually interested in which country has won, rather than who the artist was? I think the winning country should be mentioned in the opening paragraph. -- Oliver P. 13:35 25 May 2003 (UTC)


 * I was the person who put Turkey in after the singers name. Her name does not tell me which country won unless I go all through the list of singers to find which country she represents. Im baffled. Fonzy, please explain. Thanks Adrian Pingstone 15:29 25 May 2003 (UTC)


 * I forgot to say well done for the huge amount of work you've put into these Eurovision entries. Very well done. Adrian Pingstone 15:32 25 May 2003 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, so did I. Sorry. :) Well done, yes. Good stuff. -- Oliver P. 15:34 25 May 2003 (UTC)


 * I think I understand why you deleted Turkey, is it because it was not a part of your template? How hard would it be to change the template and why shouldn't improvements be made by other Wikipedians, like I just did? After all, the contest is only once a year (or is it twice from now on?) so a small manual addition to your article is trivial for other people to do. Adrian Pingstone 15:41 25 May 2003 (UTC)

Well thankyou for thaking me :-), well at the moment I have, my AS level's to revise, also I have otehr main things to do on the Eurovision Pages, like Scoresheets, more background info on each contest, information about countries partisipation in the contest, each individual year of each countries particpation (national contests for example). Also I am still waiting help form the EBU about conflicting data I have to get sorted. So at the moment I rather keep certain things under same basic layout, rather than make them look all different, which soem already do, altough only slightly. The original reason why i chose just to put the artist('s)/group's name, is they are the ones that get the pretty award for winning. If it was like the Rugby World Cup, where the "country" wins like Australia, I would put that. - fonzy

BTW I am even goign to see If I am allowed to add, the Rules for each Eurovision. -fonzy


 * Cool. Good luck. :) -- Oliver P. 18:43 25 May 2003 (UTC)

Thankyou I will need it. - fonzy

For those who are putting the tieing ruke for non first place read Section XV point 2, of the ESC Rules 2003:

"Should there be a tie for first place, the Grand Prix shall be awarded to the song that has obtained points from the highest number of countries. If the songs received votes from the same number of countries, then the highest number of 12-point scores shall qualify. If the winner cannot be determined by this procedure, then the number of times ten points have been awarded shall be the deciding factor; if necessary, this method shall continue until account has been taken of the number of times one point has been awarded."

Serbia and Montenegro?
I've just removed some info saying that Serbia and Montenegro withdrew their entry (Cija si by Toše Proeski, sung in Serbian). If anyone can provide a source, please feel free to put that info back in, with a link to that source. Thank you! :-) - Lewis R « &#1090; · c » 19:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

You were correct in removing that information since it was known beforehand that Serbia and Montenegro were not going to participate this year since the final spot was given to Ukraine. Tose Proeski just happened to be the winner of Beovizija which doesnt mean his entry was withdrawn because they didnt enter anything. If you want you can also check out the Eurovision 1995 page because Im a bit confused about the Macedonian withdrawl. Evilperson 20 20:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction
So, would the Irish televotes give or not the Russians the victory? Zé da Silva 07:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added a link to the Irish televote results and cleaned the section up a bit, so the section now answers your question. - Lewis R « &#1090; · c » 18:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The article still contradicts itself. The third paragraph of the intro (which by the way is too long) claims that "it was later revealed that the televote results would have given Russia full points, which would have given them the win" while the "Voting structure" section says that "if the Irish televote results had been included, Turkey would still have won, and Russia would not have got any more points (though would have come second)". Alarm 16:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Where is the winners foto
??????

bosnian song
she sang on croatian/english!

Removal of voting allegation
I removed the paragraph claiming Russia and Romania's voting was corrupt. No credible source for such an accusation was given and certainly no EBU investigation was ever instigated over this. Vauxhall1964 (talk) 20:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

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Rewrite
Right, I've completely rewritten the article with a view to possibly making it a good article. I thought I should explain some of the major changes—some of which go against the norm for ESC articles, I know—so... I think that's it, if there's anything I've left out complain here.  Chwe ch  17:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've removed the flags from the infobox per FLAG. There's no other reason, the flags were simply unnecessary.
 * I've removed the list of spokespeople. I just don't see how a list of people who are mostly non-entities (even in their own countries, in some cases) adds to the encyclopedic content of an article. I'm willing to fork the list into its own article, if anyone thinks it's a big problem. The most notable spokespeople are mentioned in the text.
 * I removed a lot of quite random detail, like the bit about the order of tracks on the CD; I mean honestly, why? The 2004 info should have been in the 2004 article, too.
 * There are a lot of esctoday.com references, mainly because they were the only site reporting in depth back in late 2002.
 * I've moved the map so that it's embedded into the text. It's perfectly clear here and takes up less space, in my opinion.
 * An additional point: I haven't bolded the 2004 finalists because they're listed in the "Implications" section. I've moved that section because it was likely to be missed at the bottom of the article.  Chwe ch  20:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Bosnia and herzegovina
Can someone tell me if she sang in all three languages, because I've seen in places that she sung in just Croatian and English. Sims2aholic8 (Michael) (talk) 21:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

United Kingdom's nul points
I was just thinking. Russia, at the time of the contest, claimed that had Ireland not been forced to resort to a back-up jury (their televote failed that year) then they would have won. If we think along the same lines, I guess it's quite unlucky that it happened, as Ireland may have given UK some points if it was down to the televote and UK wouldn't have ended up with nul points. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisethebest (talk • contribs) 16:13, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Even if Ireland had used televoting, the United Kingdom would still have finished with nil points: if you read this page (also included as a citation in the main article), it shows that Ireland wouldn't have given anything to Jemini. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) (talk) 16:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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