Talk:Executive Order 13492

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In this edit another contributor changed "captive" to "detainee". "Detainee" is the term the DoD uses. Writing in a neutral voice means we don't take sides. Prior to the opening of the Guantanamo camp prisoners or captives were very rarely called "detainees". Independent commentators, like Andy Worthington, challenge the neutrality of this term. They speculated that the DoD decision to refer to these men as detainees was calculated to give an air of normalcy and routine to the Bush administration's extraordinary decision to ignore its obligations as a signatory to the Geneva Conventions.

Some people would assert that the captives should be referred to as kidnap victims, as some were snatched without warning from countries thousands of miles from a genuine war zone, They are not being held as POWs, which would give the USA an excuse for not laying charges against them. Only 2 percent of the men have had charges laid against them. Captives is a term that does not imply normalcy and unmerited routine legitimacy -- and on the other hand, does not imply illegitimacy.

So I reverted back to "captive". Geo Swan (talk) 05:52, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your point of view. The proper name at law is "detainee", which lacks the POV you have so amply provided.  I, therefore, changed the word back to "detainee". Yachtsman1 (talk) 01:54, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


 * As for the term "detainee" and our never ending, five year discussion regarding why detainee is a term of art that applies in this case, please see: []


 * Thank you.Yachtsman1 (talk) 02:25, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


 * So that's where the frequency of the word comes from.
 * Sorry, Geo, but Worthington cannot be called neutral in any sense. He's a senior member of an organization whose leaders fully support the war.  They may claim to oppose torture whenever the U.S. is accused of it, but real opposition to torture means a willingness to oppose torture no matter who does it.  Cageprisoners doesn't.  I don't see Worthington doing it either.
 * Worthington is perfectly willing to appear on an Iranian propaganda show hosted by George Galloway, where they both claimed to oppose torture. And yet, Worthington must have known that Galloway was a supporter of Syria during, and long after, the alleged torture of Maher Arar.  (He ought to get one of those Spock-ear "apology" buttons -- after he apologizes for his own actions, of course.)
 * The word "detainee" was in use before this war. Note that it's part of the military's label for the manual Military Police: Enemy Prisoners of War, Retained Personnel, Civilian Internees and Other Detainees, which was last revised in 1997.
 * -- Randy2063 (talk) 23:51, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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I've commented out the following blocks of text from the article, as they need significant copyediting to integrate properly. There is good material in them, but amongst a number of speculative and/or uncited statements that need to be edited or removed. — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 22:50, 3 June 2018 (UTC) "After Barack Obama signed executive order 13492 the shutdown of Guantanamo Bay in 2009 was almost inevitable, given that the pressure from "nongovernmental organizations such as the Red Cross, Amnesty International, and even some American allies called to close the facility. However, after President Obama signed Executive order 13492 on January 22, 2009, the administration realized that their timeline of closing the facility within the one year promised timeline would not be feasible. The detention facility could not be shut down given that most of the detainees did not have proper paperwork and many had never been tried. After the administration realized that that lack of paperwork and other needed evidence was missing, the process of shutting down Guantanamo Bay was stopped. Furthermore, the prevention of closing the facility made the process of transferring detainees almost impossible. On December of 2009, President Obama issued a memorandum directing the secretary of Defense and the Attorney general to make arrangements so that detainees at Guantanamo bay be transferred to prisons and facilities inside of the USA to finally finish with the closing of the Guantanamo Bay U.S naval base and prison. The majority of the prisoners were to be transferred to the Illinois Thomas Correctional Center; however, because of the resistance among congress and the growing idea among citizens, that terrorists were coming into the country, the closing of Guantanamo Bay was delayed even further. Moreover, two years after the failure of trying to transfer detainees to the mainland, congress exercised, in the 2011 Defense Authorization Bill, the lack of funds to be available to make the transition project, to bring all Guantanamo bay detainees to the mainland."

"National Review In 2015, conservative editorial magazine, National Review, reported Barack Obama’s first official action, Executive Order 13492, during his first one-hundred days as the President of the United States. The reaction was criticism and National Review considered the act an “apology policy" for Western Imperialism that was “very few and recent” in U.S and American crimes were only being emphasized by the leftists. National Review compared Obama’s official executive order 13492 to be too optimistic as Obama believes is “consistent with the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States and the interests of justice”"

"Fox News According to Fox News, President Donald Trump’s stated during his campaign his disapproval of the Executive Order 13492 to close down the military prison Guantanamo Bay. The prison consist of detainees who have committed national crimes such as terrorism and any other crime against the United States. However, Fox News response to Trumps statement "..in the past we have foolishly release... hundreds of dangerous terrorists..including ISIS leader al-Baghdadi, who we captured, who we had, who we released..." was the of lack of detainees he has sent or detained in the facility. Fox quotes that keeping Guantanamo open is "politically expedient but exceedingly stupid..." because Bush and Obama have altogether left 41 detainees at the Guantanamo when during the Bush administration it had reached its maximum of 630 detainees. Fox News main concern is the lack of detainees in the prison."

"Vox News Vox News stated that on January 1, 2018 President Donald Trump announced the keeping of the Military Prison of Guantanamo Bay, overriding Obama’s 2008 campaign promise of completely closing the prison down within a year. Furthermore according to Vox News, President Obama failed to effectively enact Executive Order 13492 during his 8 year term because U.S Congress added restrictions on detainees on moving the prisoners back to the U.S. with trails or detentions. Therefore, on January of 2018 Trump was successful in reopening Guantanamo Bay prison, however the administration has yet still not specified under his new policy, what prisoners would be kept in prison other than stating Trump would "...load it up with some bad dudes...” and would detained prisoners associated with Taliban and Al-Qaeda as well as forces who are a threat to " the United States or its coalitions". Vox news believes that under the vague criteria, non-traditional or any prisoner can now be held at the Guantanamo prison which is already famous for its charging of informal charges as well as abusing the human rights of detainees."


 * I've reverted back to your version. The class has ended and as such, it's unlikely that these students will return to collaborate on the article. I agree that some of this could be selectively re-written and re-added to the article, though. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)