Talk:Facadism

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great pics of the worst of facadism
Although apparently a blog, this article has great pics of how bad facadism can get:. --David Tornheim (talk) 13:33, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

McLaughlin Motor Car Showroom
At first, based on what I had been reading from you and other commentators, I thought only the facade was kept. However, further digging, I discovered last night that it appears this went above and beyond simple facadism (and the pics--I believe posted by you post--seemed to confim that far more than the facade appeared to have been preserved). From this April 8, 2008 report from City Planning:

The revised strategy also proposes that the southern part of the building be demolished and the decorative interior elements be reconstructed (from moulds and survey drawings) within the new building. The structure of the new building has been adjusted to locate the columns of the correct octagonal section to permit an accurate reconstruction of the interior features.

This certainly sounds like they went further and planned to reconstruct some of the historic interior elements as well. So this example goes beyond the kind of poor facadism you see in these examples.

That report was incorporated into the materials presented to the City Council on May 26, 2008 and approved May 26-27, 2008 here. That approved item include (this has been edited down):


 * a Heritage Easement Agreement with the City for the retained and reconstructed portion of 832 Bay Street (McLaughlin Motor Car Showroom) including design guidelines for exterior signage;
 * a detailed Conservation and Restoration Plan, prepared by a qualified heritage consultant, detailing the dismantling, storage, restoration and reconstruction of 832 Bay Street (McLaughlin Motor Car Showroom) satisfactory to the Manager, Heritage Preservation Services;
 * owner shall:
 * provide a record of the as-found condition of 832 Bay Street (McLaughlin Motor Car Showroom), including all survey documentation and interior casting samples, satisfactory to the Manager, Heritage Preservation Services;
 * provide and implement an interpretation program for 832 Bay Street (McLaughlin Motor Car Showroom), satisfactory to the Manager, Heritage Preservation Services;

--David Tornheim (talk) 03:08, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

façade/facade
and anon IP. Will you please both stop this childish edit-warring, read WP:BRD, and DISCUSS. The French loan-word façade (with cedilla) and its anglicised version "facade" (without cedilla) are both widely used in English, and are both found in reputable dictionaries. There are arguments on both sides, so please make them, and then perhaps we can reach a reasoned consensus. GrindtXX (talk) 13:00, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The IP is a sock of the banned user Daniel C. Boyer. Banned users are not allowed to edit Wikipedia, and their edits canbe removed on sight. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:32, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Then leave an edit summary explaining that. Not doing so is just crass and arrogant. GrindtXX (talk) 10:38, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * BMK did do that. --bonadea contributions talk 18:46, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed – on his fourth reversion, and after I had opened this discussion. Following three made without edit summaries. And looking at his history, I see he virtually never leaves edit summaries. As I said, crass and arrogant. GrindtXX (talk) 22:28, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

More to the point, although this is a loanword, according to Merriam-Webster it was borrowed from Middle French when the spelling was "fassade." The cedilla is therefore incorrect English language spelling, having its roots in an incorrect etymology to Modern French. Even if this was not true, the word "facade" has been in English-language use over 330 years, which is long enough to be assimilated and drop the non-English diacritic. Furthermore, you only need to look at your keyboard to know the cedilla is anachronistic. Jack N. Stock (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Having said that, better to move this conversation to Talk:Facade, where the conversation has been ongoing for more than a decade. Jack N. Stock (talk) 00:57, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Origin of the name?
Does anyone have a reference for who invented the name 'facadism'?

The article concentrates on Australia, so one might assume that was the origin, but there should be a name and citation. There was an article on the BBC's news website this morning about the preservation of façades in this way in London, using the term 'facadism', so expect incoming edits from those who read it. Hogweard (talk) 09:19, 14 November 2019 (UTC)