Talk:Fan y Big

The article states that Fan y Big is a subsidiary peak of Waun Rydd which it may be in the technical sense employed by mountain lists - but in no other sense is this peaky peak a subsidiary of the plateau-like Waun Rydd. It's not the only example of this approach being adopted where descriptions are dominated by a hierarchical listing mentality - it is a shame though! Geopersona (talk) 13:18, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Accent
The title omits the circumflex over the 'i' ('tô bach' in Welsh), but the body text retains it. The corresponding article on Welsh Wikipedia includes the accent in the title, but omits it in the body text - a curious state of affairs. All Ordnance Survey maps include the accent from the first 6" editions through to the modern day and the local pronunciation of the names supports the presence of the accent. Geopersona (talk) 19:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * In Welsh, monosyllabic words which contain the vowel 'i' are almost always long by default (cf. 'min', 'ffin', 'llin', 'trin', 'crin' and many, many more). Denoting such a long vowel in a monosyllabic word with a circumflex is an archaism. In fact, the only time a diacritic is used in such situations is to show a short vowel (cf. 'pin' [long] = pine (trees) vs 'pìn' [short] = 'a pin'). Moreover, the word in question - 'pig', in its unlenited form - is always long. Any Welsh-speaker can confirm this. In Welsh orthography, this mountain is named Fan y Big.


 * Also, 'big' cannot be mistaken for anything other than the lenited form of 'pig' in Welsh because 'big' is not a lemma in the language: there is no ambiguity. 2A00:23C6:7C14:9801:2C62:E6AB:4B95:29F3 (talk) 15:19, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Pronunciation of 'Fan'
This vowel here is [a], not [æ], both in the Welsh (this is a Welsh-language name) and English. [æ] = how an American would pronounce the 'a' in 'man' - nobody pronounces the 'Fan' in Pen y Fan like that - not in Wales, or indeed the rest of Britain