Talk:Fetal abduction

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As there are now some references, I have removed the "hoax" tag. Biscuittin (talk) 22:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

^^^ If that's true (that the article was edited by a copy editor), then the copy editor needs to go back to school. There is some extremely sensationalist writing in this article (e.g. "but the killing didn't stop there"; "still on her rampage..."). 24.246.22.40 (talk) 04:03, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I just made several edits to improve the writing, such as removing the phrases above and "crazed woman" (really?), as well as changing about half the names throughout the article. In formal writing, people should be referred to either their full or last names, and almost all of the victims' first names alone were used after the first mention. Hopefully the changes are kept and this article is improved further...199.178.222.251 (talk) 23:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

First fetal abduction
This article claims that the first fetal abduction occurred in 1975 in Philadelphia, soon followed by another in Hollywood. No details on the cases, though. Could be worth looking into. http://articles.latimes.com/1988-04-29/news/vw-2469_1_ray-pierce/7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amphibienne (talk • contribs) 17:06, 3 February 2011 (UTC) http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/women/prenatal_predators/6.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.62.195 (talk) 05:57, 24 April 2011 (UTC)



SEE Philadelphia case:Earliest Known Cesarean Kidnapping – 1974 http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2012/04/earliest-known-cesearean-kidnapping.html AND:Cesarean Kidnappings (Fetal Abduction): A Checklist http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2012/04/cesarean-kidnappings-checklist.html

I wonder if anyone's ever got away with it
the cases here are the ones that were caught - not that we'll ever know, but one wonders if there are any children out there who think they're with their biological parents, but are in fact the result of successful foetal abductions...? Adambrowne666 (talk) 11:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * See Argentine Dirty War - plenty get away with it for a long time. Also when cases of infant abduction are discovered years late when the child has already grown up by his kidnapper parents, it's too late to turn that child back around to his biological family.-Yohananw (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

only in America?
All the cases here are from the USA. Has this sort of thing never happened anywhere else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.142.162 (talk) 05:48, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I was wondering the same thing. Is it some sort of culture-bound syndrome? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture-bound_syndrome Swampy 1.144.97.107 (talk) 03:42, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The incidence in US is possibly higher? More likely that US law enforcement is less incomplete and US news reporting more open. Clearly en-wiki is US-focused... Search engines and automatic translation should make it easier to search non-English language sources. A few (5) reported cases with web news or court sources from Hong Kong, Columbia, South Africa (and Mexico?) are now added. This kind of macabre crime may be under-reported and gagged (its publicity forbidden for various reasons, such as possibly to counter sensationalism and potential criminal imitation). A better multinational comparison would be on infant neonatal abduction not by CPS. Fetal abduction is too rare and extreme for comparison.-Yohananw (talk) 20:50, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

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Case synopses need editing
The current 30 case and attempt synopses need editing to a concise wiki style. MoS, WP:NOT etc. Some are stll sensational anecdotal style.

To search for more cases? Eventually may have to move into separate list article. Found some cases in google search, also from non-citeable sources - i.e. web lists unknownmisandry-blog and also in this paper by Porter, Theresa. (2017). [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267260633_Cesarean_Kidnapping_Maternal_instinct_Malingering_and_Murder. Cesarean Kidnapping: Maternal instinct, Malingering and Murder...] The latter reads like original research but has more cases

Some case synopses need better, more authoritative, informative sources-Yohananw (talk) 15:52, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Intro - what it is and what it's not
The introduction is the part of any article that most needs accuracy, clarity and conciseness.
 * Fetal abduction refers to the rare and macabre crime of child abduction by murder of an at term pregnant mother and extraction of her fetus through a crude cesarean section.[1] In the small number of reported cases, few pregnant victims and about half of their fetuses survived the assault and non-medically performed cesarean.


 * Fetal abduction does not refer to medically induced labor or obstetrical extraction. The definition of the subject does not include compulsory cesarean sections[2] for medical reasons nor child removal from parents for court-approved child protection. However, the "Children of the Disappeared" (desaparecidos) in the Argentine Dirty War are an example of criminal fetal abduction in state institutions as detailed by testimonies on cesarean delivery on desaparecidas and child adoption in a military hospital.[3][4] Historical atrocities of cesarean extraction for fetal murder (not for child adoption) fall outside the subject definition.[5]

This is current snapshot with second paragraph of exclusions and exceptions.-Yohananw (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Link to Hospital Security
Greetings,

This article suggests that fetal abduction was rarer when baby-snatching from hospitals was easier due to less security:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/16/pregnant-womans-shocks-chicago-but-experts-say-such-cases-are-rare

A point to ponder: the motive (end goal) seems to be to get a baby, not a fetus. Nearly all fetal abduction cases involve mothers about 9 months' pregant (i.e., the fetus is viable at that point). Ryoung 122 16:02, 17 May 2019 (UTC)