Talk:Fifth Avenue

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can someone do a correction on this article? Fifth avenue does not extend into the Bronx, only 3rd avenue fully extends into the Bronx, madison, 145th and 155th are connected by bridges but they don't extend into the bronx. The only other continous Manhattan thoroughfare that extends into the bronx is Broadway.

and the east/west divide in the bronx is Jerome avenue

Photo
The new photo is cool. I love having as many photos as possible of places on Wikipedia. I think we should definitely keep it, but if someone can take one that isn't so dark, it might be even better. Thanks, though. Moncrief 23:08, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

East / west
It's clear that the west side begins at 5th avenue at 59th street (as stated in the article) and south of there. Is that also the case between 59th and 110th? i.e. if one is walking along the wall of Central Park? CoolGuy 17:39, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

The West Side north of 59th St. begins west of Central Park West (Eighth Ave. below 59th), and is referred to as the 'Upper' West Side, at least as far as 110th, sometimes up to 125th, past Columbia.


 * New bus signs on the west side of Fifth Avenue indicate that at least the person who designed the signs thinks the west side of Fifth Avenue is part of the West Side, even along the east side of Central Park. This certainly differs from my personal perspective. Having lived on Fifth Avenue for 40-some years, I have never met anyone who didn't consider the west side of Fifth Avenue to be part of the East Side. Drgitlow 04:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Nikola Tesla?
Fifth Avenue is rife with countless historical addresses, personages, and famous events. It seems a bit strange to single out this one scientist. The only way to balance it out would be to add all the other famous people associated with this street, which could be rather excessive. What's the official Wikipedia stance? (I'm never in favor of removing useful info, but articles should have a balance, right?)


 * Sure, I think we should add a good deal of them, as long as we can keep everything organized. Notable books would be great too.

35 South Fifth Avenue is listed as Tesla's address. Is there an explanation anywhere of what is called South Fifth street? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.52.142.47 (talk) 15:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

More
Shouldn't there be a section describing some of the attractions on fifth avenue? sjgtl

?
"Joseph Winston Herbert Hopkins founded this street." Very dubious. --Wetman 06:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Fashion Avenue?
I've never, ever, ever heard 5th Avenue referred to as Fashion Avenue, colloquially or otherwise, in print or speech. If anyone has any sort of reference for this, please share it.


 * Incompetent editing: always confusing. "Fashion Avenue" is a publicity stunt term for the stretch of Seventh Avenue called the "Garment District." It has nothing to do with Fifth Avenue.--Wetman 04:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Parenthetical
Why does Fifth Avenue redirect to Fifth Avenue (Manhattan)? If the Fifth Avenue in Manhattan is the primary meaning (evidenced by the fact that that title redirects here), then shouldn't this article just be at Fifth Avenue? 138.69.160.1 14:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Picture
Here is a picture I made, when I was in NYC in october. It was shot in front of the Metropolitan Museum and shows the east-side-facades of 5th Avenue... Dekoker 14:35 25. November 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.158.252 (talk) 13:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

bike ban
Why is a proposed bike ban from 1987 discussed as though it is an ongoing issue that hasn't yet been resolved? john k (talk) 14:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Agreed there are bike lanes now in several ares of Fifth Ave--25person (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Jerome Avenue
The "See also" section of this article mentions "Jerome Avenue a shopping street in the Bronx", but it does not mention how Jerome Avenue also divides east-west streets in the Bronx like Fifth Avenue does in Manhattan. This last part of the entry is important but apparently has been removed twice. I don't understand the reason for its deletion. Epicgenius (talk to me • see my contributions) 11:59, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The purpose of the "See also" section is to direct the interested reader to other articles, not to be a "mini-article" in itself. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:24, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

History of the traffic direction of Fifth Avenue
Fifth Avenue definitely did not become one-way in 1942 as stated in the article -- at least not permanently. I specifially remember Fifth Avenue being two-way as late as the mid-1960's. It's also clearly two-way in the opening scene of the film "Breakfast at Tiffany's," which was shot in 1961: Holly Golightly gets out of the right side of her taxi in front of Tiffany's -- so the taxi must have been heading uptown. There's an article here that says Fifth Avenue became one-way in January 1966, but I cannot confirm that independently.
 * Have you ever heard of a "set"? Things can be made up to make it look as though it were real. Epicgenius (talk to me • see my contributions)  12:04, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You think that the opening sequence of Breakfast at Tiffany's was shot on a "set"? Almost all of the exterior shots were shot on location in NYC. The opening sequence described by the OP was definitely on location at Tiffany's. Dave Dial (talk) 18:01, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with DD2K, it is quite easy to tell the difference between scenes shot on location and scenes shot in the studio. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 8 May 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus against move. (closed by page mover) feminist (talk) 09:38, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

– This place name is used in many cities all over the world, as demonstrated by the extensive list of alternatives on the disambiguation page. While the Manhattan street is well-known, even a partial set of page views show it doesn't satisfy the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria of being "more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term". Arranging the pages this way will also help identify any incomplete links to "Fifth Avenue" so that they can be sorted through and properly disambiguated. -- Netoholic @ 06:12, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Fifth Avenue → Fifth Avenue (Manhattan)
 * Fifth Avenue (disambiguation) → Fifth Avenue
 * Some additional numbers to consider - there are about 8186 streets in the US named 5th/Fifth (the 6th most common name in the US). Obviously, not all are avenues, but if even a small percent are, that's a sizable pool out there. There are at least 29 "5th Avenue" (Manhattan is listed here) and 5 "Fifth Avenue" streets that are within historic or otherwise notable neighborhoods, and at a minimum those could all be added to the encyclopedia as redirects... and I'm sure some could be expanded further. -- Netoholic @ 02:31, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Survey

 * Support other cities, other streets. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:08, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Saks Fifth Avenue, commonly known as "Saks Fifth Avenue" and not "Fifth Avenue" (WP:PTM) is not in itself a reason to move a page. This avenue has a long-term significance in the English-speaking world--even in non-English texts this is the primary street (see other languages). Citing random things like 5th Avenue (candy), Chrysler Fifth Avenue or Fifth Avenue (Pittsburgh) is not a reasonable reason to make a move because other stuff will always exist, so more solid evidence is needed. ©  Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 11:33, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Its a bit understandable in other languages that this is primary, and likely in most the only such article for this title, but only because sources in other languages tend to be biased towards major metropolitan areas outside of their regions. Likewise, the same metropolitan bias often exists in English sources and in Wikipedians. I don't think this decision should be made solely on the page views, but they are a consideration and not "random". Heck, take Saks out of the comparison, and it still leaves the Manhattan street at about 19k monthly views out of a total of 30k, and that doesn't count a lot of other topics I couldn't fit because of the 10 page limit. In short, topics should not be primary just because they exist in a major population center. -- Netoholic @ 11:59, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If there is evidence from the ones you couldn't fit, please show it in a different graph. In addition to the possible removal of Saks, several of the things listed with significant hits in your "top 10" link (Fifth Avenue Hotel, Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church, Fifth Avenue Synagogue, and Fifth Avenue Mile) are also directly referring to the Manhattan street, and are arguably partial title matches as well. From a quick look at the disambiguation page, it appears to need trimming per WP:MOS-DAB for a lot of partial title matches. Dekimasu よ! 15:39, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * "I'm staying at the Fifth Avenue", "I attended services at the Fifth Avenue", "I ran in the Fifth Avenue" all seem to be reasonable short names for those other topics depending on context. -- Netoholic @ 19:56, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, if they were really in NYC they would never say that. It would be too unnecessarily confusing to mention that you are staying at a hotel on Fifth Avenue (which is closed, by the way) without mentioning that it is a hotel. I'm a lifelong New Yorker, and I have yet to see anyone call a building only by its street name, though if you have actual credible examples of this happening, feel free to show them. epicgenius (talk) 09:35, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose per discussion. Including Saks and some of the other partial names would throw off the stats, but the street 'Fifth Avenue' would be the common and most recognizable name. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support as it's what Broadway (Manhattan) and 42nd Street (Manhattan) use as well. - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 22:32, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest turning that one around and would support an RM making Broadway the primary. After looking at the pages 42nd Street seems like the primary as well, and both Broadway and Fifth Avenue seem like common sense primaries. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:15, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Agree, though the Broadway street title conflicts with the Broadway theater title, which has a relatively high number of page views as well. epicgenius (talk) 09:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This is the clear WP:Primary topic. The only other current WP articles that could reasonably be titled Fifth Avenue are Fifth Avenue (Pittsburgh), Chrysler Fifth Avenue, and if you stretch it 5th Avenue (candy) and 5th Avenue (album). The |Fifth_Avenue_(Pittsburgh)|5th_Avenue_(candy)|Chrysler_Fifth_Avenue|5th_Avenue_(album) pageviews for those articles show a different story. Most readers are searching for this street, and they should not be forced to a dab page. Station1 (talk) 04:17, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Clear primary topic, even to non-Americans like me. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The New York avenue |Fifth_Avenue|5th_Avenue_(candy) vastly eclipses both the candy and the street in Pittsburgh. Nine Zulu queens (talk) 15:17, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:PRECISE and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This is a case of a clear primary topic. Although any numbered avenue is a very common name, the Manhattan avenue is by far the best known as the page views show. I don't really get the underlying reasoning behind this, other than to make the page name unnecessarily longer and force unnecessary disambiguation. epicgenius (talk) 09:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and a quick Google search for the term brings up the New York one. In Memoriam A.H.H. I am good at fighting windmills..  19:36, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Saks Fifth Avenue, the title with the most page views, is a partial title match (known as "Saks" for short, not as "Fifth Avenue"). Dekimasu よ! 06:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, its listed on the disambig page probably for good reason. I'm sure. Keep in mind we're limited to 10 pages on page views comparisons, so I'm having to leave off a lot of other alternatives. In short, its just too likely that a reader is looking for any of the other topics with that name, and also likely an editor could link to Fifth Avenue when they don't mean the Manhattan street, and it'd be hard to detect. -- Netoholic @ 06:58, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Registering a minor objection to this edit that moved my comment down from the top to a new "discussion" section at the bottom while at the same time adding new "discussion" in favor of the move up above. Dekimasu よ! 05:33, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I added supplemental info to my proposed move. Used a new line so I didn't trigger the bot to change dates. Nothing nefarious. -- Netoholic @ 05:51, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


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