Talk:First Gulf of Sidra offensive

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Shouldn't this be called Battle of An Nawfaliyah and Bin Jawad or Sirte Road offensive or Battle of Sirte Road, since there were a number of skirmishes outside Bin Jawad itself and in other surrounding areas? I'm assuming all this will be covered by this article. 140.247.12.151 (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably yes, however the current consensus in naming the Libyan campaign articles was (so far) on "battle of City" nomenclature. Essentially ALL the other battles were just a bunch of mostly independent skirmishes ... I would prefer to preserve the current consensus and leave the merger-rearrangement for the future when it is more clear what/how/when happened.Ihosama (talk) 17:37, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. EkoGraf (talk) 17:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The difference I think was that the other skirmishes were very clearly around a single city, or relatively so at least, whereas in this one, they're spread out across two cities that have already had battles described and a few other towns as well. My worry would be that other articles could be started on the events in each individual city here despite it being a single 'action' per se.  These skirmishes, this action, are all happening in the Sirte District, so maybe in this case because of the geographic spread it might be viable to rename it to Battle of Sirte District? 140.247.146.102 (talk) 18:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really. As far as the eastern fighting goes (except Ajdabiya and Benghazi) there was not a single major "fighting for/around some town". This is a mostly uninhabited desert terrain so all fighting was very fluid from the beginning. If anything, I would call it: "Libyan coastal campaign" with only well-documented battles (now only Ras Lanuf #1, Ajdabiya and Benghazi) getting separate articles. But that would contradict 99% of the current media coverage making the prudence pointless...


 * I split the original "Battle of Bin Jawad" article according to previously used technique to avoid persistent vandalism and mix-ups. However, if you feel up to is making a useful general article about the campaign, feel free. Just be warned that you would not be able to use any pre-existing template as a base and will eventually end up with a summary pointing to individual battles and already included in the Timeline article.Ihosama (talk) 20:32, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Pro-Gadhafi victory?
The fighting isn't over. Calling this a Pro-Gadhafi victory now would be like calling the Battle of the Bulge an Axis victory halfway through the fighting. This could end either way; the late March offensive really only ends if the rebels lose all of their gains. --Delta1989 (talk/contributions) 23:24, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * They lost them, as Ajdabiya itself wasn't controlled by Libyan army before the retreat. 95.32.61.182 (talk) 11:58, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The rebels have lost all of the territory gained during the first two days. They started out from Ajdabiya, and now they are back at Ajdabiya. EkoGraf (talk) 16:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The map at the top of 2011 Libyan civil war shows both Brega and Ajdabiya in rebel control. --Delta1989 (talk/contributions) 13:32, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That map is a best-effort project based on articles like this one. It is NOT a source.Ihosama (talk) 18:37, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Ras Lanouf, Uqayla and Brega post 15.02 GMT/30/March 2011.
Gadaffi has retaken it. Wipsenade (talk) 14:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Uqayla re-taken by Ghaddafi, Brega under fire and almost taken.-- User 58.9.150.113 (unsinged)


 * BREGA JUST RE-TAKEN BY GHADDAFI FORCES Source:Al Jazeera breaking news from Libyan 58.9.150.113 (talk) 15:20, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The last rebels are fleeing Brega []. Source:Monsters and critics.Wipsenade (talk) 15:30, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Gadaffi now controles the towns of Ras Lanuf, Uqayla and Brega! Source:Sydney Morning Herald, [].--Wipsenade (talk) 16:31, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I coppyed it form the 2011 Libyan civil war page.Wipsenade (talk) 14:34, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Breaga nearly falls, but the rebels hang on 13.49, April 1

 * Brega IS NOT (unfortunately )in rebels hands as for today, but fights are ongoing, please update the color on the map. User:MaXiMiLiAnO 08:07, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Brega has just come back again under rebels' hands. 180.183.48.198 (talk) 12:34, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Rebels finaly retake Breaga.86.29.78.32 (talk) 13:51, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Read this for the latest info on it [].Wipsenade (talk) 14:01, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Ajdabiya has now also being attacked [].Wipsenade (talk) 14:20, 1 April 2011 (UTC) I coppyed it form the 2011 Libyan civil war page.Wipsenade (talk) 14:22, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Merge 3rd Brega and 2nd Ajdabiya
I would recommend that 3rd Brega and 2nd Ajdabiya be rolled into this article, with a possible name change of this to reflect that it is a single battle. In order for it to be a "campaign" there must be numerous engagement unrelated to each other to be in accordance with proper military and historical terminology. All of the fighting has been related directly for control of the highway between Sirt and Ajdabiya. This is a single engagement, not a disparate amount of them. If we keep writing a new page for every single fight that pops up along this road, Wikipedia is going to be spammed with constant new articles that will make it increasingly difficult to access the information. This is mechanized warfare people, every town and village between Sirt and Benghazi is going to be contested, often at the same time. ArcherMan86 (talk) 17:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)