Talk:Fish ball

Merge proposal
Hey,, why do you think these would be better merged? The Cheung Chau seems independently notable. Valereee (talk) 19:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I think it is definitely notable but the article is smaller than the HK fishball section on the main article and I doubt there is much more to write about it. The page is likely to remain a stub forever. UKWikiGuy (talk) 23:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Why would it remain a stub forever? Many food articles can be expanded once we find sources, and finding sources in languages which are transliterated can be a challenge. I don't think that's a good reason to merge. Valereee (talk) 23:54, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The Cheung Chau Fishball is a special case of the Hong Kong fishball which is apparently not notable enough to have its own article. Why doesn't the Hong Kong Fishball and Singapore Fishball have their own article? The Cheung Chau Fishball is just a Hong Kong fishball enlarged as a tourist attraction to the island UKWikiGuy (talk) 14:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, it doesn't really matter whether it's "just a Hong Kong fishball enlarged as a tourist attraction to the island". What matters is that it's been written about enough to be independently notable, and that one does seem to be, based on the availability of sources.
 * It also doesn't matter that Hong Kong Fishball and Singapore Fishball don't currently have articles. Maybe they should have articles! Or maybe they're not notable enough. If you think they're notable enough, write the articles! But this one seemed notable enough to me on an assessment of the sources. Valereee (talk) 15:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not willing to die on a hill for this but I do not believe a couple of listicles mentioning a snack stand are good source of notability. My home Hong Kong is a very hype driven place and these fishballs were popular for a few years then people moved on to the next thing. Cheung Chau is more famous for the Mango Mochi and there is no Cheung Chau Mango Mochi article on Wikipedia, nor should there be since it's not encyclopaedic. UKWikiGuy (talk) 15:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I do not believe a couple of listicles mentioning a snack stand are good source of notability. And that does matter. You're in a good situation to research. If you research in good faith, preferably including in Chinese and Cantonese, and you can't find adequate sourcing, go ahead and merge. Valereee (talk) 17:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I am suggesting an improvement to the page and you are unfortunately engaging in WP:OWNBEHAVIOR and assuming bad faith. I am not going to continue this conversation. UKWikiGuy (talk) 17:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think we must be miscommunicating. I just told you that I agree, listicles aren't enough, and said that if you, as someone in HK (whom I assume can search better than I can) can't find sources you believe are adequate to support a claim to notability, I also agree you should go ahead and merge. How is that ownership behavior? Or assuming bad faith? Valereee (talk) 17:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Split proposed
To resolve the impasse regarding Cheung Chau fishball, I propose splitting the Hong Kong and Macau section into Hong Kong and Macau fishball (or similar) and merging the aforementioned page into this new page. The fishballs in the SARs of China are notable due to their cultural significance (we use them similar to the Big Mac index in the western world) and there has been civil unrest named after them. @Valereee, what do you think? UKWikiGuy (talk) 07:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Works for me. Valereee (talk) 11:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)