Talk:Floréal-class frigate

Civilian standards
'built to civilian standards' means built to a lower standards and cheaper than a normal naval warship ( this is not unique to the French Navy ). In other words they are much more likly to take serious damage and be crippled than a normal warship. I think this should be explained somewhere. 145.253.108.22 10:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Conjecture, which should not be 'explained' anywhere unless you have a source other than an angry francophobic blog. 'Built to civilian standards' means that the safety of the crew and day-to-day reliability are put above military performance. This is a coast guard ship labelled a frigate for some reason or another; personally I see more likenesses with the Nordkapp class OPV than anything else. --Joffeloff 11:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably of more importance than being built to civilian standards, in the event of this ship being used for war-fighting, is the lack of any form of air-defence (other than the 100mm gun) and anti-submarine capability(not even within the embarked helicopter). However these ships are not really intended for war-fighting but to maintain a French military presence in the French overseas departments especially in the Pacific, and in these areas the ability to carry a large naval infantry complement is of greater importance. KTo288 (talk) 15:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The "civilian standard" here refers mostly to safety features and finition. It is even more obvious in the Mistral type, where the crew quarters are especially comfortable, and where wires and plumbery are not apparent.
 * The Floréal type is an ocean-going coast guard, if you will, yes. They are basically built around their helicopter, and are meant for police, rescue or commando operations in safe areas. The comparable ships meant for less hospitable regions are the La Fayette type, which is much more aggressive (stealth, equipped with Exocet missiles, could be retro-fitted with the Aster, ...). The Floréal is very much a "peace dividend" naval ship. Rama (talk) 16:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Gallery
Any complaints if I delete the gallery, I've been sorting out the images at Commons, and all of Commons Floreal pictures are in a single cat now so rather than a large gallery, with a small amount of text, I propose to just link to the category at Commons. KTo288 (talk) 15:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * By all means. Rama (talk) 16:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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