Talk:Forensic entomology

General
This is an excellent article! You expanded on all of the various topics, and did a great job finding current research. Overall, I found this article very interesting...long, but interesting. (Lice2008 (talk) 17:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC))

Amazing job guys. There is a lot of information here. The reference to movies, and things common people would have seen was a good idea. Its kinda easy to get lost in the article, a couple pictures would be nice. Otherwise fantastic job.--165.91.80.115 (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I love this article, it's great to see how much it has expanded in such a short period of time. The only thing I would consider adding is the mention of A Fly For the Prosecution by M. Lee Goff. I feel he is also a great contributor to forensic entomology. Other than that, great job!! Mari2111 (talk) 06:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I feel like this article was really well written and a lot of work was put into it. One of the things that grabbed my attention and enjoyed the most was the "in films" section; I remember seeing those movies and it took me back in time when I did not realize that those deaths were forensic entomology. Wow, both forensic and I have come a long way. One suggest I have would be to add more detail for the bee. The honey bee is one of the most important insect to humans, so lets show the bees some love lol. Again, very good article. MrBryant44 (talk) 06:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Divo. It's a really great article but could use more information in the film section and also it could use more information under bees. The ants and the wasps both have great description but I thought it was kind of random to not have anything for the bees. Other than that it was great! Good job!--Lmconine168 (talk) 21:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Howdy! Great article ya'll. Featured the 3 breakdowns of forensic entomology in a very interesting fashion. I enjoyed seeing the "in films" section because it shows how popular this topic has become. more pictures perhaps?? but again overall very nice. thanks and Gig 'Em (DivoTheAggie (talk) 21:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC))

The first thing I noticed when I accessed this article is that I was hit head on with a wall-of-text. Your article itself is excellent. Very well researched. I can tell you put a lot of work into it. My only suggestion would be to either shorten or break up your introduction into smaller sections to avoid the wall-of-text. Bmb4516 (talk) 20:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

This is a very interesting topic. I feel though that it is just "sort of" well written. Many of the sentences do not make sense. Go back over everything and try to combine sentences. Often times I have trouble following the article. I hope this helps!!!Megalatta (talk  —Preceding comment was added at 02:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The introduction needs to be shortened, the body is where you need to put most of this information and just lead the reader into the body with your intro. Clean up the writing a little bit also and that will help. Lauren Kalns (talk) 02:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Good article, one objeciton... "In history there have been several accounts of vague applications and experimentation of this science." I think you should elaborate a little on this and explain what the vague applications were and what types of experiments were done way back then. overall very well written!

This article describes Forensic Entomology very well as we have learned in class. It describes the three areas concerned with Forensic Entomology. It also goes into great detail of the history of this subject. And, it provides many examples. I think this is a great article. Good job!! Karmijo37, April 15th, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karmijo37 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC) Article merged: See old talk-page here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Entogirl88 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I liked this article it was easily understood and also presented in the class lectures. However, I think that after providing a list of the tools in the collection kit you may want to add some small details such as: pull back hair, wear appropriate shoes(boots, and brightly colored cotton clothing. (June21st86 (talk) 22:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC))

I think that several parts of the article, including the CSI effect section as well as the movies section would go well in the CSI Effect page. The 19th century section would do well to go in History of Entomologyentogirl88 (talk) 04:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that under the history part you should talk about the first known case. About how he let the flies come and cover the murder weapon.--Kmh2003 (talk) 08:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Fascinating and fantastic article! I love how you covered the history, and you even included the Chinese translation of The Washing Away of Wrongs! The only thing I can suggest is that maybe you could put in a picture of the species of moth from Silence of the Lambs. Great job! --Moosenik (talk) 02:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I would have to agree with Crosenbalm. Forensic entomology is too broad of a subject to be limited to law enforcement. A large forensic entomology umbrella group is a possibility.Quatrevingtsix (talk) 04:04, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Forensic Entomology is comprised of three different entities: Urban Entomology, Stored Product Entomology, and Medicocriminal Entomology. We feel that each of these categories contain enough information to be regarded as seperate subjects. We feel it would be disrespectful to merge this category, as it would take away from the individuality of the topic.

Crosenbalm (talk) 20:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

The first few paragraphs of the article were very interesting; however, maybe you could include some headers to organize it a bit. The rest of the article was great and seems very well researched.Hurricane979 (talk) 16:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I feel that this article dicusses a unique topic, that of the Forensic Entomologists themselves. In my opinion, credit should be given to the men and women who perform the job. There is sufficient information for an article that dicusses them exclusively, as a separate entitity from the general topic forensic entomology. Forensic entomologists also perform unique work in different fields of forensic entomology as well. Garza j e (talk) 00:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)garza_j_e (talk)

This article is a good broad summary of the history of entomology. But, I didn't see anything about the way Megning developed the use of different levels of seres in relation to exposed versus buried bodies. You may want to research that topic and insert a paragraph about it. Austinh37 (talk) 20:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The sections previously in the article Forensic entomology and society have been merged into this article because of their relation to the history of Forensic entmology as a science, which was also redirected here and because this article does an excellent and thorough job of explaining the history of forensic entomology. This article does need some grammatical and stylistic editing. Consider putting this article up for a peer review for stylistic changes.entogirl88 (talk) 14:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

This is a very good and very informative article. Also, maybe ya'll can add this to your section of medical-legal entomology that it involves or deals with (human) myasis and dilusionary parasitosis. I actually learned this in one of my forensic classes today! Agbetty (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.194.32.49 (talk)

Hey. What is Reinhard's full name. It would be nice to know his full name, just if someone wanted to google him, to find out more information about him and his studies he conducted.Sabm05mval05 (talk) 03:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought overall you did a good job on the information presented in this article. Their is alot of information that could of gone into this but i thought you did a good job of picking out the most important. I also like the movie section of the article. It gives readers who might not know alot about the subject something to relate to because "Silence of the Lambs" is a very popular movie. good job. Jared Jcdvipertx2000 (talk) 17:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Good article! There is a lot of information presented. I do have some suggestions though. The wording of some of the sentences made it hard to follow at times. When reading the article, transitions are a bit choppy. It would be good to work on fixing the flow of the article. In the second paragraph of the Introduction section the word 'you' is used which I don't think is appropriate for an encyclopedia style article. Also, when talking about Megnin, his work involving the case of the deceased infant is not clearly introduced and is mentioned rather abruptly. In the fifth paragraph of the Modern Techniques section, the description of potassium permanganate straining suddenly changes from present to past tense. In the History section, the Bible, the Iliad, and works by Shakespeare could be included. Sherlock Holmes could also be mentioned in this section. I noticed that there is a CSI Effect page but I think more information could be included about television shows that have used forensic entomology. Hope these suggestions are helpful. Good luck! --Kmcneese (talk) 19:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Updates
That list at the bottom is simply a copy and paste of the list of articles from School_and_university_projects/ENTO_431, the writing assignment. Incorporate these into the article instead of leaving them in the external links category; they are not external links. Also, expand the list of forensically important insects to include all the insects mentioned in the articles list, and scour Wikipedia for more insects to which you can link. ABrundage, Texas A&amp;M University (talk) 23:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Just an idea, since forensic entomology is such a broad field and we have tons of information on it. Maybe your group could provide a link to the rest of our group's pages. That way when someone is looking up forensic entomology, they can easily navigate to these other pages. This would not only help readers, but it would make your article look a lot more professional. You could possibly title the section "related links". Hope that you will find this helpful! Lindseyjean11 (talk) 16:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest rereading your article thoroughly because there are a few spelling and grammar mistakes. Some of your sentences seem to run together. Also, when talking about the history of entomology you should list the full names of all the important people. Horsenerd09 (talk) 06:01, 16 April 2008 (UTC)horsenerd09

Good article. I liked how you hit a lot of important aspects of forensic entomology and the layout was easy to transition with. Some suggestions I have are to read over your article again for grammar/punctuation mistakes. One sentence in your second paragraph "Sometimes used in stored products cases call in to help determine (chain of custody) " wasn't even a complete sentence. Please try fixing that. Also, as stated before, list the full names of all the important people (Reinhard). Lastly, I suggest defining "anastomosis" (under modern techniques) or put it as a link. Overall, good job! Hando09 (talk) 03:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Great article, I thought it was very thorough. I Think it would be a good Idea if you provided better bibliographical information on the books mentioned in your article incase people want to find and read them.Micha259 (talk) 17:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Redirect from History of forensic entomology
I redirected History of forensic entomology here as most of the content(except the case studies) has been transfered here. To access the case studies, click here.--Dodo bird (talk) 08:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

This article was very informative. I love the setup and I especially like the incorporation of those films. Good Job! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heathcj (talk • contribs) 05:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Peer Review
Hey good, interesting article here. I do realize that this is a late comment, but as interesting as the film section was, I think that it was somewhat irrelevant. Check to see that everything is flowing together nicely. In your intro, “…sometimes used in stored products cases call in to help determine (chain of custody). Chain of custody is when you go back through all points of possible infestation to determine who is at fault” this is an instant in your article that I noticed that it doesn’t flow that well. But that really is not a problem here. Oh and try to put a couple more internal links in your article. – tallfoo2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallfoo2006 (talk • contribs) 03:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Howdy! I've looked over your article and I was very impressed with it I must say! I was especially fond of your use of listing the contributions of various historically important forensic entomologists in sequential order as a method of helping the reader establish a virtual time line of the field's development over the past few centuries. I would like to suggest that you consider making two small changes however: First, I would try to combine the second and third sentences of the introduction in order to make the paragraph flow more smoothly. Secondly, I would reword the first sentence of the third paragraph like this, "...includes the presence of arthropods on or near a body in events such as murder...trafficking either while the event/crime is occurring or in the period of time directly proceeding it." If you could possibly find a less wordy way of saying what I just gave as an example I think it would look better. Well I hope my advice and encouragement helps you in your last revisions of your article! Thanks and Gig'em! Lancecameron (talk) 17:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Great article!!! Just a few suggestions. In the second paragraph, you guys talk about urban entomology at first, but then there is a weird change of topic to stored-product entomology. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I don't see a transition. Maybe you could write about stored-product in another paragraph. Also, when you write about works in the past that have led to the popularity of forensic entomology, I would add Shakespear and possibly CSI. I remember talking in class about how Shakespear referenced insects in his writings. And when CSI became popular, more and more people became interested in forensics. Overall, i really enjoyed your article, you guys did a great job using examples that helped in the formation of forensic entomology. (Mexicanspaniard1 (talk) 17:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC))

I can tell that there is alot going on with this article. There are alot of links leading to descriptions that help when reading it through. The history section was lengthy, but informative. I especially loved your paragraphs over fiction literature and film, and it was cool to see how forensic entomology relates to the examples given. Thanks. Laadame (talk) 16:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Good article. Under the title "In Film," you could add how movies tend to give insects human characteristics and how they tend to portray insects as bad when in fact about 95% of insects are benificial to humans. Tam712004686 (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello! Great article! I think some work on the flow of the content would be beneficial. I think you should make urban entomogy and stored product two different sections. Yes they are closely related but that paragraph is akward. Thanks!-Kels032 Kels032 (talk) 18:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I think this article is great. It's like a little thumbnail sketch of our class. If I did not know anything about forensic entomology, I definitely would have learned a lot. As noted before, there does need to be more editing done in this article. In the first paragraph, the transition between stored and urban entomology is non-existent and needs improvement. I know this has been stated before, but it's necessary to the article that it be changed. Basically, a good editing job would really help this article out, but the bones are good. I was also wondering if since there were movies mentioned then are there television shows that also talk about forensic entomology? Pinksugar85 (talk) 22:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Great job! Well done. I think that some chunks of words could be broken up into subheadings to allow for easier reading. There may be other book and movie examples out there that could be added. Overall great job. 74.192.203.65 (talk) 15:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC) Jessica Moore

There is a lot of good data here, but it does not flow well. I like the addition of pictures and thorough information you added, but it needs some work. Good job on the research. Antarcticgecko (talk) 17:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge with Environmental effects on forensic entomology
The Environmental effects on forensic entomology article is short and could easily be merged here without making the latter article too long. There is also no section on this article dealing with environmental considerations. As such, I recommend that Environmental effects on forensic entomology be merged here. Neelix (talk) 17:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:Death Assessment Commentary
The article was re-assessed as C-class, for lack of sufficient in-line citations.Boneyard90 (talk) 05:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Hymenoptera
I removed the subsection underneath the brief description of hymenoptera. The information given has nothing to do with forensic entomology and is very trivial even when referring to the species. For example under wasps it gave a brief account of social and non social wasps then went on to describe the habits of some social species. While some vespidea are social the vast majority of wasps are solitary. The ecological introduction of ants likewise has nothing to do with forensic entomology, unless you are going to write that ants may devour other insects such as fly larvae which are used in this field. Furthermore the part on bees was scientifically questionable and lacking in relevance. The citations used might be valid citations and some of the information presented is fact, but not relevant to this article. If information on hymenoptera and forensic entomology is going to be included, please let it be done by an expert who can cite specific examples of these species in practice instead of vague nondescript facts.70.119.233.170 (talk) 07:24, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

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