Talk:Foster care/Archive 1

It's the little things that cripple an image
As well if you could lock this page so I can get screen shots like the yo did with the adoption section I would be most grateful... I got the idea from how bad it made Bush look when you had to lock his page on wiki... people I know are still laughing about it...

BOTZ
and thanks for helping me perfect my bot I will be sharing it everywhere prepare to get spamed...lmao... bunch of dorks...

Italy
The comment about Italy didn't really make sense. I am sure that it is governed by statute 149 but given the lack of subtstance and poor grammar I thought it better to remove the remark and invite the author (or anyone else) to fill in the details. CustardJack 14:03, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Outside the United States
The whole thing saying that "In German-speaking countries the Foster Parents are called "Pflegeeltern"" is highly unnessisary. Sure, it may be an interesting fact, but it's unrelivent to the topic. That is why I've deleted it. --71.118.168.253 03:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Foster Care Age

 * Everyone should offer to be foster parents because I am a teenager foster child that I have no one to open their home or want a teenager of 13-17 yr old girl, and non of them open in my area to find a place to call home. Someone can call mom or dad... April 24, 2006 Please help us in Conway, AR.

It would be better someone the ages of 29-44 yr old Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.29.85.125 (talk • contribs).

Systemic Bias
This has to be the worst case of systemic bias I have ever seen on Wikipedia. Could someone please correct this? Just acknowledging children get fostered outside the US would be good.Dev920 13:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

im a 15 year old in foster care and no one wants me or shale i say there are 2 homes 4 teenagers in my part of the usa,north florida and i really need a home try to help in florida thank you.

Additional Material
I've added some material, citations, and information on the U.S. and Canada. Hope this new material is ok with others...if not, please comment.  Dr. Becker-Weidman  Talk 22:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The greatness about the program
I personally love the foster care program. My family has been taking in kids for 16 years now. I don't think that people should talk bad about the program. This is a program that helps kids that are not wanted by their parents and gives them a home, food, love and hope that they can become somebody when the get older. So I would just ask to anyone who has a problem with the system that they live the life as a foster child or a foster parent. Cassandra Overholt

Foster care can be a wonderful opportunity for children to experience postive family life and begin the process of healing from the trauma caused by maltreatment. DPeterson talk 19:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the criticisms are less directed at the basic premise of the system (placing unwanted children under the responsibility of loving parents) and more at the current systems' failure to fulfill the desired healthy placement of many children. The article cites a reference that says thousands of children bounce back and forth in the foster system for years without placement in a loving home. Again, I think the problems people have with the foster system are not at the promising concept of placement in a loving home, but at the reality that the current system often doesn't live up to that promise. -Lyc. cooperi (talk) 07:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

College Student in Foster Care
I am a college student who still remains in the foster care system. I actually hate the system with a passion. I appreciate that I had places to live, but I was moving every five to seven months, and had to fight to stay in the same school district. I am lucky I was able to. There is usually not much emphasis put on trying to keep the child in an area with which they have possibly created some bonds. The case worker is supposed to have a face to face meeting with their caseload every month, and I was lucky if I saw my case worker every two months. So while some homes may be golden and not have any problems with the system, take a look at the child. Things may seem fine, but they very rarely are.

Major edit
--Brideshead 11:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC) This is one of the most US biased articles (in a heavily US biased encylopaedia) i've come across. I've attempted to neutralise its tone.


 * Your editing of the first paragraph is incorrect. It is the "state" that places children in foster care, usually, unless it is a "voluntary" placement or a private placement.  I agree the article does not have enough international content.  I'd suggest adding such material but not deleting the relevant material on legislation, etc.  DPeterson talk 13:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I edited the entire article to offer a more balanced and structured statement on foster care. The initial paragraph offers an overview which can apply to all jurisdictions. The entry on the US has been trimmed but unchanged. If there is incorrect information in the section, it can be remedied. The previous edit has an introduction which applies to the USA only and is not appropriate to an encyclopaedic entry. --Brideshead 21:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

This seems to be becoming a minor edit war, I request again that you discuss your reasons for editing here. I have moved the section on maltreatment as I believe it to be biased and based entirely on research relating to American circumstances, thus i've relocated it to the USA section.

I've reworded the intro to be compatible with other systems not making reference to usa or canada. I've also removed reference to "abused/maltreated child" as this makes assumptions about all foster circumstances. Please discuss re-edits here. --Brideshead 17:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the material on effects and treatment to a separate section as this material is not a sub section of USA. DPeterson talk 18:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to be switching back and forth, but I believe that this section does refer specifically and exclusively to USA. The opening line below makes this explicit. --Brideshead 18:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The National Adoption Center found that 52% of adoptable children (meaning those children in U.S. foster care freed for adoption) had symptoms of attachment disorder. A study by Dante Cicchetti found that 80% of abused and maltread infants exhibited attachment disorder symptoms (disorganized subtype).[1][2]


 * Pls leave the section where it is. Much of the information in it is not US specific.  If you read the articles cited, the research is also applicable to other countries.  The material is not only relevant to the US.  However, if you feel strongly about it, I'd suggest you conduct a poll and see what other editors think.  That would be be best way to resolve a dispute.   DPeterson talk 19:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment
There is a disagreement regarding the placement of the following section:
 * Effects of chronic maltreatment and treatment. The National Adoption Center found that 52% of adoptable children (meaning those children in U.S. foster care freed for adoption) had symptoms of attachment disorder. A study by Dante Cicchetti found that 80% of abused and maltread infants exhibited attachment disorder symptoms (disorganized subtype).[1][2]  Children with histories of maltreatment, such as physical and psychological neglect, physical abuse, and sexual abuse, are at risk of developing severe psychiatric problems.[3][4] These children are likely to develop Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD).[5][6] These children may be described as experiencing trauma-attachment problems. The trauma experienced is the result of abuse or neglect, inflicted by a primary caregiver, which disrupts the normal development of secure attachment. Such children are at risk of developing a disorganized attachment.[5][7][8] Disorganized attachment is associated with a number of developmental problems, including dissociative symptoms,[9] as well as depressive, anxiety, and acting-out symptoms.[10][11]  The effects of early chronic maltreatment are seen in varioius domains and the result is Complex post-traumatic stress disorder, which requires a multi-modal approach that directly addresses the underlying causative trauma and which seeks to build healthy and secure relationships with permanent caregivers. These children require specialized treatment[12][13], such as Dyadic Developmental Psychotherapy

The differing viewpoints are as follows:

1. The research detailed above is specific to the United States of America and belongs as a sub-section of the United States section of the article.

2. The research detailed above is equally applicable to the situation worldwide and belongs as a section on it's own.

The Research under discussion is below

 * 1) Carlson, V., Cicchetti, D., Barnett, D., & Braunwald, K. (1995). Finding order in disorganization: Lessons from research on maltreated infants’ attachments to their caregivers. In D. Cicchetti & V. Carlson (Eds), Child Maltreatment: Theory and research on the causes and consequences of child abuse and neglect (pp. 135-157). NY: Cambridge University Press.
 * 2) Cicchetti, D., Cummings, E.M., Greenberg, M.T., & Marvin, R.S. (1990). An organizational perspective on attachment beyond infancy. In M. Greenberg, D. Cicchetti, & M. Cummings (Eds), Attachment in the Preschool Years (pp. 3-50). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
 * 3) Gauthier, L., Stollak, G., Messe, L., & Arnoff, J. (1996). Recall of childhood neglect and physical abuse as differential predictors of current psychological functioning. Child Abuse and Neglect 20, 549-559
 * 4) Malinosky-Rummell, R. & Hansen, D.J. (1993) Long term consequences of childhood physical abuse. Psychological Bulletin 114, 68-69
 * 5) Lyons-Ruth K. & Jacobvitz, D. (1999) Attachment disorganization: unresolved loss, relational violence and lapses in behavioral and attentional strategies. In J. Cassidy & P. Shaver (Eds.) Handbook of Attachment. (pp. 520-554). NY: Guilford Press
 * 6) Greenberg, M. (1999). Attachment and Psychopathology in Childhood. In J. Cassidy & P. Shaver (Eds.). Handbook of Attachment (pp.469-496). NY: Guilford Press
 * 7) Solomon, J. & George, C. (Eds.) (1999). Attachment Disorganization. NY: Guilford Press
 * 8) Main, M. & Hesse, E. (1990) Parents’ Unresolved Traumatic Experiences are related to infant disorganized attachment status. In M.T. Greenberg, D. Ciccehetti, & E.M. Cummings (Eds), Attachment in the Preschool Years: Theory, Research, and Intervention (pp161-184). Chicago: University of Chicago Press
 * 9) Carlson, E.A. (1988). A prospective longitudinal study of disorganized/disoriented attachment. Child Development 69, 1107-1128
 * 10) Lyons-Ruth, K. (1996). Attachment relationships among children with aggressive behavior problems: The role of disorganized early attachment patterns. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 64, 64-73
 * 11) Lyons-Ruth, K., Alpern, L., & Repacholi, B. (1993). Disorganized infant attachment classification and maternal psychosocial problems as predictors of hostile-aggressive behavior in the preschool classroom. Child Development 64, 572-585
 * 12) Becker-Weidman, A., & Shell, D., (Eds.) (2005) Creating Capacity For Attachment, Wood 'N' Barnes, OK. ISBN 1-885473-72-9
 * 13) Becker-Weidman, A., (2006). Treatment for Children with Trauma-Attachment Disorders: Dyadic Developmental Psychotherapy, Child and Adolescent Social Work Journal. Vol. 23 #2, April 2006.

Any comments and advice would be greatly approeciated. Thank you 20:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

 * 1) _KEEP AS SEPARATE SECTION Several of the authors are not U.S. based (Lyons-Ruth, I think, is one example).  In addition, the research is international in scope and applicability.  The categories used are based on Mary Ainsworth's work, which is international in scope and has been validated internationally.  The stats in the first two articles may vary by country...higher in Canada where, for example, children may be made Crown wards with access, which means that they are in perm. foster care and cannot be adopted and may be regularily exposed to the abusive/neglectful caregiver.   RalphLender talk 14:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) _KeepMarkWood 23:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) _Edit I think someone should go through the article and make sure that the general portions of the the article are not country specific, including the statistics on problems of youths in foster care. Anything that is country specific should either be moved to a sub-heading on that country OR be clearly identified as only pertaining to that country. Vampyrecat 04:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) _Keep as isSince the citations are international in scope, it should remain as a separate section. DPeterson talk 16:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Big Family Of Michigan needs citation or removal
I can find no references to this group. Without a citation is should be deleted. DPeterson talk 12:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Aging out
I found a source on what happens to foster youth after they leave the system: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/12/22/EDGABGB5LE1.DTL Does this warrant addition?Lindentree 23:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I just finished an article called Aging out, and I will include this citation. - Freechild 16:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Pros and Cons
I deleted this section because it does not seem to be encyclopedic is nature and tone. However, if other editors disagree, the section should be reinstated. DPeterson talk 22:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

DDP
I have removed Dyadic Developmental Psychotherapy from this page. This little known therapy has been extensively advertised on Wiki as evidence based, sometimes the only evidence based treatment for a variety of disorders affecting attachment. (Theraplay, also little known and not evidence based has also been advertised in this way.) A range of attachment articles including attachment therapy are currently before ArbCom. In the course of ArbCom it has transpired that of the 6 users promoting DDP and Theraplay and controlling these pages, User:DPeterson, User:RalphLender, User:JonesRD, User:SamDavidson, User:JohnsonRon, and User:MarkWood, the latter four are definitely socks and have been blocked, and the other two have been blocked for one year. The attachment related pages are in the course of being rewritten. Fainites barley 20:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Update - all 5 are now indefinitely blocked as sockpuppets of DPeterson, and DPeterson has been banned for 1 year by ArbCom. Fainites barley 21:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Update 2 - User:AWeidman, AKA  Dr. Becker-Weidman  Talk and Dr Art has now also been indef. banned for breach of the ban on his sockpuppet DPeterson.Fainites barley 16:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Request a link
The Tufts University Child and Family WebGuide is a good foster care resource. http://www.cfw.tufts.edu/topic/2/28.htm

The WebGuide is a directory that evaluates, describes and provides links to hundreds of sites containing child development research and practical advice. The WebGuide, a not-for-profit resource, was based on parent and professional feedback, as well as support from such noted child development experts as David Elkind, Edward Zigler, and the late Fred Rogers. Topics cover all ages, from early child development through adolescence. The WebGuide selects sites that have the highest quality child development research and that are parent friendly.

The foster care page of the site provides a collection of research-based websites containing foster care and foster home information. Articles and foster care statistics offer advice and facts about health care, developmental issues, family interaction and other pertinent foster home information. Teamme 16:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

'Chronic Maltreatment' Section
This section is poorly integrated with the rest of the article. It talks about incidence and causes of attachment disorder among adoptable children, but doesn't discuss how this relates specifically to the foster care system. It seems like it might belong in the adoption or attachment disorder article instead. It's also possible that it relates to the foster care system more directly, but exactly how is unclear from the current state of the article. --Clay Collier (talk) 09:27, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

YFZ Ranch Section
This section, though I know little about the raid and the surrounding arguments, seems to represent one side, and seems to be blatantly biased against another. Perhaps someone with more expertise could tackle this? I tagged it with a POV.

Imapwnu (talk) 03:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

This section does not seem to belong at all. It's not part of a general information article, it's more of a current events article, and is certainly not central to the topic of foster care. MariaMitchell (talk) 20:34, 28 November 2008 (UTC)