Talk:Fountain of Time/GA1

Fountain of Time GA Review
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Commencing GA review. --  Chzz  ►  23:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I've done an initial check through the article, and made many notes.

Definitely not a quickfail.

I have some issues with prose and a few other issues, but I believe these could be resolved in a short time.

Requests for improvement

 * A number of ref links (circa 20) using the docs.newsbank.com domain link to different URLs to the ones recorded - i.e. if you click on it, the URL you end up at is not the one specified in the ref. I saw this using the checklinks tool here.
 * The links take you to the right article. The server may have moved or something, but the correct article seems to be references.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite correct; it doesn't need fixing up for GA. I like to see things tidy - it could cause issues for users who arrive at an external link that disagrees with the one they clicked, but I am being picky. I will keep a note to myself and fix them as a maintainance job one day.
 * NOT NECCESSARY --  Chzz  ►  23:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The gallary picture titles have inadequate descriptions, with many the same ("Front" etc) - not exactly a 'prose' issue, but I'd like something better, even just "Front left", "Front right" - it looks a bit odd with many pics with the same caption.
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, better.
 * DONE --  Chzz  ►  23:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This section needs a rewrite
 * The Fountain's location in Washington Park near Midway Plaisance places it inside the Chicago Park District. The fountain's location in the Washington Park community area on Chicago's South Side places it amid poor indifferent neighborhoods that are not concerned with the arts."
 * Because a) Prose, repetition of 'The Fountains location in WP", and b) WP:NPOV. The reference is not sufficient assert 'poor...arts', although it is from a reputable source, it's obviously an editorial article, in the Sunday magazine, and not a news report item.
 * Repetition taken care of.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I contest whether this is a WP:RS. This is a regular writer for the Chicago Tribune.  During the period covered by this database he has over 400 articles in the newspaper. I think the state ment that the neighborhood is poor is valid.  Also see, Washington Park, Chicago (neighborhood) and its sources.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * South Side (Chicago) says "Although it has endured a reputation as being poor and crime-infested, the reality is more varied; it ranges from impoverished to working class to affluent." - perhaps something similar would work here; perhaps using refs from that article?
 * That is not really true. This neighborhood within the South Side is actually poor.  Although the University is nearby, there is not much residential wealth nearby. That statement means that parts of the South Side are not so bad.  This part is pretty bad.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * After further consideration, I agree this is acceptable.
 * OK --  Chzz  ►  23:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * "The fountain was a part of a larger beautification plan for the Midway" - is this Midway Plaisance (which I think is a single street nearby), or another use of the term Midway? Please clarify and wikilink if possible. --  Chzz  ►  23:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I added Plaisance to the sentence in question. It is linked in the paragraph above. I will add some maps to that article tonight.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, great. Await maps. --  Chzz  ►  00:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Maps added.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Great, that clarifies it. Can you think of a way to show that one of the new maps is a section of the other - like text between saying 'detail' or something? --  Chzz  ►  04:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * ""a Bridge of Arts at Woodlawn Avenue would have been more elaborate than a Bridge of Religion at Ellis Avenue and a Bridge of Science at Madison Avenue." - I don't understand this; is it Woodland > (Ellis AND Madison) ? ie combined? Please clarify.--  Chzz  ►  23:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I will add a map showing the cross streets.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha, I see! It's an Americanism, where places are referred to as "5th and 3rd" etc, that's why it confused me. Perhaps rewrite as 'the intersection of...' or something, to cater for non-US? --  Chzz  ►  00:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done


 * In vision, "The partially completed work..." I rewrote the para. I suspect "Ducalion" was another spelling of Deucalion, and why single out this one? Do you agree with that edit?


 * 'themes' section needs some improvements; I will attempt this myself within the next few hours. --  Chzz  ►  00:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I rewrote this whole section here, please review my changes. I removed link 24 from last sentence of para as ref did not cover that info. --  Chzz  ►  03:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Rewrite looks good.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:47, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done --  Chzz  ►  04:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * 'Restoration' - what are "open houses"? Please clarify. --  Chzz  ►  00:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It refers to Open Houses where plans of these private entities are revealed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:17, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Restoration needs some work on prose; I'm working on that now. --  Chzz  ►  04:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * DONE--  Chzz  ►  05:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)