Talk:Francisco Franco National Foundation

Requested move 5 May 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: this is a mess. The article was created on April 28 by a sock of a blocked editor. This might make it eligible for speedy deletion under WP:CSD (creations by banned or blocked users), but it has received significant edits by other editors since its creation. The page was boldly moved from its original title, National Francisco Franco Foundation, to Francisco Franco National Foundation on May 5; that move was reverted. User:Asqueladd then moved the article to Francisco Franco National Foundation again, but this move should not have been performed after the first revert: "Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again" (WP:RMUM). Instead, a move discussion should have been initiated. And actually, this was done, but only after the move was performed. The sock reverted the move again during the open discussion (reverts during open move requests are deprecated, but the move that preceded opening the request should not have taken place either). Then User:Jamez42 attempted to revert the final move because it was performed by a sock, but accidentally sent the page to the garbled title Francisco National Franco Foundation; again, even though this was a sock action, nothing should really have taken place during an open move discussion. So, there are really two options here. The first would be to say that there is no stable title and "default to the title used by the first major contributor after the article ceased to be a stub" (WP:TITLECHANGES). That would be the original title; yet that would also be the title of the page when it was eligible for speedy deletion under G5, and would privilege the position of the editor who created the page in violation of an indefinite block for socking. User:Filiprino has also expressed support for the proposed title Francisco Franco National Foundation. Thus, I am moving the page to Francisco Franco National Foundation at this time, while reminding all editors involved 1) not to move pages again after a move has been reverted and 2) not to move articles during open move requests. If this is insufficient for any reason, please open a new move request rather than performing other moves, since the current discussion is mainly based upon the responses of the blocked sock. Dekimasu よ! 19:29, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Francisco National Franco Foundation → Francisco Franco National Foundation – Most common name. Asqueladd (talk) 19:46, 5 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I am ok with moving the page to that other title. Filiprino (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

The references use 'National Francisco Franco Foundation'.ApolloCarmb (talk) 12:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC) Blocked sock. Dekimasu よ! 19:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Nope, available references (pl.) chiefly use Francisco Franco National Foundation    --Asqueladd (talk) 14:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Google is your friendApolloCarmb (talk) 15:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC) Blocked sock. Dekimasu よ! 19:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * So it is yours too. Standard English usage seems to be proper noun+(optional adjective)+foundation anyways (Material World Charitable Foundation, Woodrow Wilson National Fellowship Foundation, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, Davies Charitable Foundation, Johnson Ohana Charitable Foundation...).--Asqueladd (talk) 15:07, 9 May 2018 (UTC)--Asqueladd (talk) 15:07, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * National Francisco Franco Foundation has more results on Google. You can cherry pick sources if you want btw.ApolloCarmb (talk) 16:09, 9 May 2018 (UTC) Blocked sock. Dekimasu よ! 19:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 975 vs 837 hits of a raw web search engine is not a significative difference to use as a sound argument. The name+adjective+foundation that Francisco Franco National Foundation follows is the most common construction in English language, it is used by the most specialised sources on Far right extremism in Spain (the scope of the entry?) and additionally "national" is often dropped from the name. In any case, regardless of the order, could you put the cited sources right after the variant they are verifying?--Asqueladd (talk) 16:43, 9 May 2018 (UTC).


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.