Talk:Franz von Hipper

Job performance
The contention that Hipper perfomed flawlessly at Jutland needs to be sourced. There are several sources who write that Hipper led the High Seas Fleet forward into a trap and failed in his duty to scout for the fleet.

Hipper's part in the German plan was to lead the British battlecruisers south onto the High Seas Fleet, not keeping pressing north like an imbecile and wind up stuck between Beatty and the Grand Fleet.


 * Bearing in mind the Hipper himself was trying to lead the Grand Fleet into a trap, your analysis of his performance is incomplete to say the least. For starters, you've neglected the fact that the battlecruiser action at the beginning of Jutland is generally known as "the run to the South" because Hipper was leading Beatty south towards the High Seas fleet, not "pressing north like an imbecile."  Hipper only turned northwards after linking up with the main body of the fleet.  Also, your statement is based on the benefit of hindsight, neither side was truely aware of what was going on at any particular point of the battle due to the flakyness of contempory signaling technology so.  Hipper did exactly what he was supposed to at Jutland and a great deal more besides  Getztashida 15:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd say he was flawless. Jellicoe was essentially an Officer who was slightly used to pay his way out of his problems. Jellicoes subordinate was (somewhat) the property of Jellicoe. The "victor", Mr Scheer suffered a break-in, where the burglary was rather personal: His wife got killed, and his daughter injured. You are much so killed of in a slow fashion. The ship named after Scheer, got limping from Dikson Bay to Narvik, and back to Kiel already in 1942 (long before Stalingrad). Back to Franz Von Der Hipper, he was nobodys fool. --83.108.30.141 (talk) 22:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

WPMILHIST Assessment
Though the first introductory sentence is accurate and concise, it is too short, in my personal opinion. I much prefer introductory sentences/paragraphs to include at least a tiny bit more about what the person is significant for, or which events/wars they took part in. Otherwise a fine start. Is further expansion possible? LordAmeth 02:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I've expanded the Introduction somewhat. Is that more to your liking? 84.92.80.169 11:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Massie reference?
Hello - I see that there are two citations mentioning "Massie", which I assume is Robert K. Massie. However, I do not see the book that is being referenced. Can someone more familiar with the gathering of the citations for this article please take a look at this? Here is the section of the article involved:

"While the fleet was consolidating in Wilhelmshaven, however, war-weary sailors began deserting en masse. As Von der Tann and Derfflinger passed through the locks that separated Wilhelmshaven's inner harbor and roadstead, some 300 men from both ships climbed over the side and disappeared ashore."

Thanks, KConWiki (talk) 01:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * It's Castles of Steel - I'll add the full ref tomorrow. Parsecboy (talk) 01:50, 23 October 2014 (UTC)