Talk:Freddie Bartholomew

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I am not sure but I think I may be somehow related very distantly to Freedie either by his aunt or by his parents who abandoned him. My grandmother was a Bartolomew- her name Ella Bartholomew before marrying Frank Gillett. I am Janie O'Shea nee Gillett- janieoshea@yahoo.co.uk can anyone shed light is any family member out there to help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.135.8.131 (talk) 12:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

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Full name
I am sure someone named Freddie born in 1920s England would have been born "Frederick", not just "Fred" or "Freddie". Nicknames as full names were very rare back then, even today. Someone should try finding an official document confirming that Freddie's full birth name is Frederick Bartholomew. Also, this article states that he was abandoned as a baby by his parents, and was taken in by his aunt, whose surname he took. Well if his aunt's surname was Bartholomew, then surely he wasn't born a Bartholomew, was he? 24.189.90.68 (talk) 00:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Done, fixed, thanks for the nudge. Freddie was born Frederick Cecil Bartholomew. He never changed his name. There is currently no reliable source that indicates he was "abandoned as a baby by his parents", although his parents did send him to live with his grandparents and aunt by the age of three and thereafter had nothing to do with him. Softlavender (talk) 06:15, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Stutzey (talk) 13:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I can't find a birth record for Freddie in London, but in Oxfordshire:

England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 about Frederick C Bartholomew Name:	Frederick C Bartholomew Mother's Maiden Surname:	Clarke Date of Registration:	Jan-Feb-Mar 1924 Registration district:	Willesden Inferred County:	Oxfordshire Volume Number:	3a Page Number:	439Stutzey (talk) 13:19, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Did his aunt really become his stepmother?
The article states that FB's aunt Cissie "became his stepmother". Is this really what is meant? It would imply that she married Freddie's father, and I take it from the article that the birth parents stayed together (and also, from the aunt's surname, that she was either the father's sister or possibly his brother's wife).

So, what I think we may really be looking at is either: (a) if everything was done informally, that she "became like a mother to him" or "became a surrogate mother to him"; or (b) if she in fact adopted him legally, that she "became his adoptive mother". Nandt1 (talk) 16:06, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the correction. You're right, Aunt Cissie did not marry Freddie's father. Softlavender (talk) 07:13, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

"Further Reading"
Most of the information about Freddie Bartholomew in books about child stars is unfortunately quite erroneous and filled with misinformation. Therefore it's best not to have a "Further Reading" section on this article. The article itself (and the external links) is quite accurate and contains far more information than any book on child stars does; therefore for all of these reasons this section should not exist, so I am removing it. Softlavender (talk) 22:52, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Citations and links
This article contains numerous incorrect links, such as New York Times (which should be The New York Times and United Press which should be United Press International. Also, incomplete citations such as that of Yesterday's Warminster which lacks publisher, and ISBN and Freddie's Strike Loses Him Place in New Picture which does not name the work cited (Evening Independent of St. Petersburg). Other citations also lack ISBNs.  Despite being added, these have been removed twice even though the formatting was not changed on several citations, info was merely added..Goldnpuppy (talk) 04:26, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ISBNs are neither necessary nor mandatory, although you are free to add them. In a citation there is no valid reason other than chauvinistic style preference to use The New York Times vs. New York Times any more than any city paper citation needs to include "The"; note the fact that "a New York Times best seller" is not called "a The New York Times best seller". "United Press" is correct -- please view the source. The Associated Press article was published all around the country, so no individual newspaper is necessary (although we have linked one for viewing convenience), and in fact in my opinion having the name of a defunct minor newspaper would add nothing to the citation and in fact detract from it. Yesterday's Warminster has author, publisher, date, and page number. And as a reminder, per WP:CITEVAR, do not change the format of the citations. Softlavender (talk) 05:03, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

World War II service
Although Allen served in the army air forces during World War II era, the article said he served stateside. No reliable sources found as of yet state that he served overseas during the war. Accordingly, Category:American military personnel of World War II was removed from the article. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 20:08, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I've now removed the category entirely, since it is completely -non-defining. Softlavender (talk) 23:46, 30 December 2018 (UTC)