Talk:Fritz Stern

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Jewish Emigrant?
Stern was a baptized Lutheran right from the start of his life. Only the Nazis defined him as Jewish because of his ancestry, but we do not use the Nuremberg Laws to label his "ethnicity". However, please provide a source calling him "Jewish emigrant" before you add such a category again. 80.136.73.108 (talk) 18:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * First: it's extraordinarily rude to accuse another editor of adapting Nazi criteria. WP editors are supposed to be civil and assume good faith. You've failed on both counts.
 * Second: we don't need to find the phrase "Jewish emigrant". The question is whether Stern was both of these things. We know he was an emigrant. Baptism has little to go with identity, as many an ex-Catholic or Jewish Bhuddist might attest. There's a major work about Stern's godfather, Fritz Haber, for example, titled Fritz Haber: Chemist, Nobel Laureate, German, Jew: A Biography. Identity is complex, a question of allegiances and traditions and associations. Stern had a complicated relationship with both his homeland and his ancestry. But in the end he was decisive. We have his own words:
 * "I felt a rough and never easy equivalence between inner and outer identity. The thought that Hitler had made me a Jew, annulling the commitments my grandparents had made to Christianity, seemed intolerable, even as I realized that it had been National Socialism that had made me feel my Jewish kinship. In much later years and in a second marriage, my sense of being a Jew became still stronger, even as the dream of Israel faded, as the last of the great twentieth-century utopias was threatened by self-betrayal. Isaiah Berlin once said to me that one knew one's loyalty if one could feel ashamed of the action of a nation's government. As I write this, and with his thought in mind, I have not a scintilla of doubt that I am an American and a Jew."
 * Fritz Stern, Five Germanys I Have Known (NY: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2006, pp. 187–8. Emphasis added.
 * Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 00:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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