Talk:Future Vertical Lift

Delete?
This isn't really an aricraft as such, or een a program. Per the article's only source, it's really a strategy. It's probably premature to have an article on this yet, as at this point it's basically just news. - BilCat (talk) 17:16, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * This project has been simmering on the Air Force's back burner for years so I don't think it's just news. Marcus Qwertyus   17:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * This is mainly an Army program or at least that service is in the lead. -Fnlayson (talk) 19:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I wish my update to this information on 5 JUNE 13 had not been changed back. There are some inaccuracies in the current information that I tried to correct. The biggest being that JMR-TD is the same as FVL and that the two terms are interchangeable. Also, Army is the lead agency/Service for FVL-medium, the lead the fleet effort at the moment and mostly due to the fact that the vast majority of R&D and S&T work in the rotary wing/ vertical lift DOD community is done by the Army. Since I am the Joint Coordination and Integration Officer for FVL on the Joint Staff, I acan attest that the information placed in the article on 5 June was accurate.-mburns204 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.247.166 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Even if you are a coordinator, WP rules require actual source material. I work Army aviation programs, myself; but can't quote myself as a source. Nevertheless, the article is sadly out of date, and needs new info. Much has transpired. -- T HE F OUNDERS I NTENT  PRAISE 13:09, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Karem Aircraft proposal
Why the Karem Aircraft proposal is in the list of former proposals?

Did the US military reject the TR36TD and the TR75 proposals?

Megaidler (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The section is about JMR, not FVL. The military wants AVX and Karem to continue with their technology, but not their demonstrator aircraft. This is indicated by the paragraph "Downselection". Even the winner of the final JMR may or may not progress into FVL. The article has grown bit by bit into a hodgepodge, and could use a rewrite. TGCP (talk) 17:31, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

JMR-Medium-Light
What is the JMR-Medium-Light? I didn't see this in any website. Isrul (talk) 09:47, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Major issues
This page seems to mix the Future Vertical Lift program with the JMR-Medium/FLRAA program. V-280 Valor and the SB-1 Defiant are ONLY for the JMR-Medium/FLRAA program, not Future Vertical Lift in general. Ergzay (talk) 02:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

SDLENGTH
Hello Please see WP:SDLENGTH. — Invasive Spices (talk) 17:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes but making the description too short and vague makes it almost worthless. I did shorten the desciption some more. Also MOS:NOTUSA. Regards, -Fnlayson (talk) 18:24, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Moved content from Army Futures Command
Here is text I removed from Army Futures Command; perhaps it will be of use to editors of this article. PRRfan (talk) 14:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Future Vertical Lift
Future Vertical Lift (FVL) is a plan for a family of military helicopters for the United States Armed Forces using common elements such as sensors avionics and engines. Five different sizes of aircraft are to be developed, to replace the wide range of rotorcraft in use. The project began in 2009. By 2014, the SB-1 Defiant and V-280 Valor had been chosen as demonstrators. On 5 December 2022 Bell's V-280 was chosen for the Future Long-Range Assault Aircraft; the first phase of the contract award will be for a virtual prototype.


 * The FVL CFT has secured approval for the requirements in all four of its Lines of Effort:

Future Vertical Lift will use the DoD modular open systems approach (MOSA), an integrated business and technical strategy in FARA, and in FLRAA       Both FLRAA and FARA are to enter service by Fiscal Year 2030. By abstracting its requirements, the Army was able to request prototypes which used new technologies.

Joint Multi-Role Technology Demonstrator (JMR-TD) prototypes are to be built by two teams to replace Sikorsky UH-60 Blackhawks with Future Long-Range Assault Aircraft (FLRAA).FLRAA, JMR-TD: Flight test


 * ARL Public Affairs (1 February 2019) Army engineers get hands-on with futuristic tiltrotor aircraft data gathering in process on one prototype (a tiltrotor).
 * Jen Judson (9 October 2018) Road to Future Vertical Lift: Defiant preps for first flight, Valor leaves the nest V280 vertical climb record
 * First flight for the other prototype (contra-rotating rotors) slipped to 2019, (Aaron Mehta (12 December 2018) First flight for Defiant delayed to 2019) in part because the Army asked that this manufacturer try out automated fiber placement in the rotors, which need to be extremely rigid to minimize vibration.(Sydney J. Freedberg Jr. (2 October 2018) SB>1 vs V280)
 * If successful, this technique will mean more efficient helicopter production in larger numbers.
 * The 2nd manufacturer's prototype December 2018 attempts to first reach 15 hours of reliable ground performance resulted in fixes that affected its fit, form, and function; hence its first flight is expected in 2019; its First flight has occurred.
 * Tyler Rogoway and Joseph Trevithick (21 March 2019) Watch Sikorsky And Boeing's SB>1 "Defiant" Compound Helicopter Fly For The First Time)
 * Sean Gallagher (3/22/2019) Sikorsky-Boeing joint effort for Army's assault aircraft program makes first flight
 * Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.— The tiltrotor Joint Multi-Role Technology Demonstrator has attained ADS-33 Level 1 responsivenes in internal vendor testing (21 May 2019) V-280 Passes Key Agility Test: Bell
 * ADS-33: Mark B. Tischler, Christina M. Ivler, M. Hossein Mansur, Kenny K. Cheung, Tom Berger, and Marcos Berrios (4 November 2008) Handling-Qualities Optimization and Trade-offs in Rotorcraft Flight Control Design The tilt-rotor FLRAA demonstrator by Bell is flying unmanned (October 2019); it logged 100 hours of flight testing by April 2019. Both Bell and Sikorsky-Boeing received contract awards to compete in a risk reduction effort (CDRRE) for FLRAA in March 2020.  The risk reduction effort will be a 2-phase, 2-year competition. The competition will transition technologies (powertrain, drivetrain and control laws) from the previous demonstrators (JMR-TDs) of 2018–2019 to requirements, conceptual designs, and acquisition approach for the weapon system. The Army wants flight testing of FLRAA prototypes beginning in 2025, with fielding to the first units in 2030.

The Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) is smaller than FLRAA. The Army's requests for proposals (RFPs) for FARA were due in December 2018;

A long range precision munition for the Army's aircraft will begin its program of design and development. In the interim, the Army is evaluating the Spike 18 mile range non-line of sight missile on its Boeing AH-64E Apache attack helicopters.


 * Unmanned UH-60

An unmanned UH-60 Black Hawk flew pilotless in July 2022. An FVL FLRAA (JMR-TD) flew unmanned in 2019.


 * Uncrewed air taxi

An uncrewed air taxi is under evaluation at Edwards Air Force Base.

More content from Army Futures Command
Future Vertical Lift developments include:


 * The Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) scout helicopter prototypes are to be designed to fly along urban streets, to survive air defenses. Five design vendors were selected, with downselect to two for prototyping by February 2020.
 * These aircraft are envisioned as platforms for utilizing sensor networks to control and enable weapons delivery, as demonstrated in a 2019 experiment. In preparation for FVL platforms, the FVL CFT demonstrated a 2020 Spike non-line of sight missile launch from an Apache gunship at Yuma Proving Ground, for extended range capability; a forward air launch of an unmanned sensor aircraft (UAS) from a helicopter was demonstrated at YPG as well.

FARA cancelation
Article needs to be updated due to the cancelation of the FARA (Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft) program cancelation on Feb 8 2024 75.117.124.3 (talk) 01:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)