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Definition
I have placed this in the article: thought and comments?

I have played about with the first bit "A Gang" and added a "Street Gang" and "Organised Crime Group". Criminal Fraternities such as motorcycle clubs and skinheads whilst being referred to as a gang i think do not fall neatly under any definition on this page. I think the Motorcyce Clubs and Racist groups warrant a single page for each as they are much more distinguishable (whilst also being similar) from gangs. To keep it simple:

Motorcycle Clubs - members must own motorcycle Skin Heads/Neo-Nazis - Belief in White being the Superior Race

Street gangs such as Crips, Bloods, Nortenos, Surenos etc.. do not have any definers such as those above. Just about anyone living in the gang neighbourhood can be initiated no matter what their beliefs and possesions are. They do not need anything specific to be a part of the gang and excluding the initiation there is very little they need to do. (although many are ethnically homogenous it is argued this reflects more on social demographics than anything else)

There is no agreed upon definition for a gang, or street gang at least. There are hundreds of definitions that have been debated ever since Thrasher (1927) defined the 1313 gangs he observed in Chicago.

There is little, if any, consensus as to what constitutes a gang and who is a gang member, let alone what gangs do, either inside or outside the law (Ball & Curry, 1995; Decker & Kempf-Leonard, 1991; Gardner, 1993; Klein, 1969; Miller, 1975, 1980; Needle & Stapleton, 1983). When describing their conceptual and operational definitions, many contemporary gang researchers note the absence of definitional consensus.

Suggest to delete this section enclosed in brackets [The irony, of course, is that even the] “experts” cannot agree on what constitutes a gang or gang behavior, and many experts find fault with nearly every definition.

An article in the Journal of Contemporary Justice (Malcolm W. Klein "The Value of Comparisons in Street Gang Research", 2005) talks of a consensus definition developed over 5 years and agreed on by more than 100 gang research scholars in the United States and Europe. It is a minimalist definition specifically designed to enhance comparative street gang research.

“A street gang is any durable, streetoriented youth group whose own identity includes involvement in illegal activity.”


 * “Durable” is a bit ambiguous, but at least several months can be used as a guideline. Many gang-like groups come together and dissipate within a few months. The durability refers to the group, which continues despite turnover of members.


 * “Street-oriented” implies spending a lot of group time outside home, work, and school—often on streets, in malls, in parks, in cars, and so on.


 * “Youth” can be ambiguous. Most street gangs are more adolescent than adult, but some include members in their 20s and even 30s. Most have average ages in adolescence or early 20s.


 * “Illegal” generally means delinquent or criminal, not just bothersome.


 * “Identity” refers to the group, to the collective identity, not the individual self-image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.122.121 (talk • contribs) 17:57, March 2, 2007

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Reversed Passage?
The following paragraph appears in this article, and in another wiki article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_population The paragraph below is how it appears on the Gang_population page: "The newly released Chicago Crime Commission publication, "The Gang Book 2012", conveyed a startling statistic that Chicago has more gang members than any other city in the United States: 150,000 members[7] Traditionally Los Angeles County was considered the Gang Capital of America, with an estimated 120,000 (41,000 in the City) gang members.[8]

Chicago has a higher rate of gang membership per capita than Los Angeles.[9] The state of Illinois has a higher rate of gang membership (8-11 gang members per 1,000 population) than California (5-7 gang members per 1,000 population).[10]"

Notice that it switches Chicago/Illinois with Los Angeles/California, so bizarre since it's basically word for word otherwise. Only one can be right (I think Chicago has more per capita. as it appears in the "Gang" article, chicago has more members but somehow less per capita? LA is bigger than chicago). This article is terrible anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.246.90.191 (talk) 04:10, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It was vandalized on Sept 26. I have reverted it. Rmhermen (talk) 04:53, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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