Talk:Garrison

Edit request on 19 May 2012
Please note that the Wikipedia article on Garrison may have been changed 4chan users to reflect a demonization effort on Arab Muslims. This can be clearly inferred from the tone of the article such as: (1) the Arabic word for Garrison is موقع عسكري. The Article editor has referred it wrongly as حصون. (2) The Reference given is from an author with a distinctively biased view. (3) The rest of the content under Arab Garrison has no reference and seems to have been a victim of vandalism. Please change the paragraph: "In order to occupy non-Arab, non-Islamic areas, nomadic Arab tribesmen were taken from the desert by the ruling Arab elite, conscripted into Islamic armies, and settled into garrison towns as well as given a share in the spoils of war. The primary utility of the Arab-Islamic garrisons was to control the indigenous non-Arab peoples of these conquered and occupied territories, and to serve as garrison bases to launch further Islamic military campaigns into yet-undominated lands. A secondary aspect of the Arab-Islamic garrisons was the uprooting of the aforementioned nomadic Arab tribesmen from their original home regions in the Arabian Peninsula in order to proactively avert these tribal peoples, and particularly their young men, from revolting against the Islamic state established in their midst."

to this: ""Garrison towns" (Arabic: موقع عسكري ‎) were used during the Arab conquests of Middle Eastern lands by Arab-Muslim armies to defend their populations against Byzantine forces. In order to defend against Byzantine forces and Crusaders, the Arab armies were stationed in various towns as well as given a share in the spoils of war. The Arab armies defended Muslims, Jews and Arab Christians of the region who enjoyed relatively more freedom than when they were under Byzantine hegemony. The importance of the Arab-Islamic garrisons was proved as necessary when the Church sent its armies on Crusades to regain and annex the region into their imperialist Holy Roman Empire once again."

The sub-content seems to be biased against Arab Muslims. Please help make the tone of the article more neutral and fair.

Johnnydoeist (talk) 10:10, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Can you point us towards a reliable reference for this info? While you are correct that much of that paragraph is uncited. It is equally unconstructive to replace it with more uncited info. Pol430  talk to me 11:03, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

How are these Arab words pronounced? Not all Wikipedia-users know Arab script. So it is relatively useless.--202.137.154.239 (talk) 06:27, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


 * How is it relatively useless if you’re discussing Arabic words. Secondly, I agree with Johnnydoeist, this article is a mess. I move we link to the page entitled Amsar or we use the same citations that were used there. The notion of conscription and forced settlement is extremely incorrect and historically inaccurate. 2001:1970:5163:1200:0:0:0:3007 (talk) 10:39, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm baffled that something like that paragraph is taking up more than half of the total article. Should we even be leaving it there at all? Just Want The Vector 2010 Design Back (talk) 07:55, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Unclear "spellings"
The lead begins with the mysterious words "Garrison (various spellings)". These various spellings are not specified either in the lead or mentioned in the article body. Nor am I aware that there are various spellings for garrison. I therefore propose the qualifier "various spellings" be deleted. 86.170.121.171 (talk) 08:10, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I can only guess there multiple spellings unsuitable to be all listed in the lead. This does imply there should be an etymology or some such section then. The "various spelling" is really not helpful to anymore. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:49, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

28 days later
28 days later @ 62.89.211.46 (talk) 10:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)