Talk:Garry O'Connor

Drugs story
I am sorry, but I took this out pending producing a NPOV and duly weighted version which I am sympathetic to having on the article. I certainly don't think we can use the Daily Mail as a source for this type of material, we need better sources. --John (talk) 08:07, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I would normally be in favour of removing this kind of "personal life" stuff under WP:NPF, but I think it is worth mentioning in the article that it is alleged he was prevented from playing football (the source of his notability). I think the best way to write it into the article is in the Birmingham City section. It alreadys mention the fact he was unable to play (a hip injury, according to Alex McLeish) for a large part of the 2009/10 season. Then the more recent allegation he was banned for drugs use can be cited. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think a sportsperson being banned from partaking in their profession because they have been caught taking drugs is notable. If the daily mail is not considered reliable enough, what about the citation from The Independent? To be honest however, I don't see what is wrong with using the DM as a source to cite a fact, whilst the DM certainly might be seen to twist and distort facts to fit its editorial concerns, the fact that somebody was arrested and charged with something isn't very contentious, and therefore I don't see why it can't be used. Coolug (talk) 09:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The more recent arrest and charge isn't necessarily relevant to his notability, per WP:NPF. Garry O'Connor isn't notable because he has allegedly taken drugs, he's notable because he plays professional football. If his personal activities have an effect on his football career (such as when he dropped out of a Scotland squad), then it is objectively notable. I think the allegation he was banned due to drug use is notable, but we have to be careful how to state it (because it isn't confirmed). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * How about something like "Channel 4 Dispatches claimed it was because..."? or something to that effect? Coolug (talk) 10:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

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