Talk:Gary Chambers

Black in the lead
Re Special:Diff/1067272573 and Special:Diff/1067275777, how does saying he is Black in the lead violate MOS:ETHNICITY, which says You can't seriously be saying that his being Black is not relevant to his notability? It's noted by every source--literally every single one in the article. Multiple sources note that he'd be the first Black person elected to statewide office in 150 years. I don't understand your thought process here. Levivich 17:16, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not something that is applied consistently I see. Malcolm X leads off by calling him "African-American", but Martin Luther King Jr.'s lead doesn't mention his race, only that he was a civil rights leader. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:26, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I just added it to the MLK article. That's patently insane. Levivich 17:30, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * And you were reverted. Maybe the answer is taking it out of Malcolm X's lead sentence. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:39, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah and we're gonna have a discussion about that. The global consensus is "unless it is relevant to the subject's notability", so either folks can go and try to change that global consensus at MOS:ETHNICITY, or they can make an argument that being Black isn't relevant to the subject's notability. I'm seeing neither one happening here. Levivich 17:41, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Just from a cursory Google search, I see that CBS News calls him a "progressive activist," NPR calls him a "longtime community activist," Black Enterprise calls him a "Democrat and social justice activist," Yahoo News calls him a "passionate activist," etc. etc. I cannot find one source that calls him a "black activist." KidAd  •  SPEAK  18:03, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, not every single one. CBS News: . NPR doesn't mention he's Black. Black Enterprise is obviously not going to mention that the Black people they profile are Black, since that goes without saying. "Yahoo! News" is actually an article by MadameNoire. Neither Black Enterprise or MadameNoir are included in our Wikipedia article. NPR, Black Enterprise, and MadameNoir all include a photograph of him (our Wikipedia article does not).
 * But let's look at other in-depth sources for the article, like: Rolling Stone:  Adweek:  The Advocate (LA's largest paper):  Nola.com:  It's important that he's a Black person running for statewide office in Louisiana. Levivich 18:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * BTW, "black" was put back into MLK's lead (not in the first sentence, but elsewhere). So no, I don't think the answer is taking it out of Malcom X's lead. For articles without photographs, and for readers who are visually impaired and may not be able to see a photograph, the text should inform the reader that black civil rights leaders are black. It matters that it's not just anyone fighting for the rights of a disadvantaged group, but that it's a member of that group. It matters that MLK was black; it matters that Chambers is black; and if we don't say it, the reader might not know it. Levivich 19:35, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm somewhat inclined to try to change Malcolm X's an African-American Muslim minister phrasing, but also disinclined to step into a big hornet's nest. As for Chambers and stating that he is black in the lead, I'm undecided. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2022 (UTC)