Talk:Gavin & Stacey

Oh, what's occurring?
This catchphrase of the Nessa character has become the "Am I bovvered" of 2008. I ain't gonna lie to you, but the Sun article and the Facebook page with nearly 40,000 members at the time of writing are testament to this. Genuine! http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article1043963.ece http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=29440665568

Strangely, the show's catchphrase isn't even mentioned in the article! Gmackematix (talk) 21:29, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't regard Facebook or The Sun] as reliable sources; my experience is that "What's occurring" has been round longer than G&S and I suspect they have picked it up from somewhere else. However, our acid test for relevance of this sort of thing is whether the Oxford English Dictionary has picked it up, as they did for "Am I bovvered?". Rodhull  andemu  21:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Is that the royal "We" there or are you just presuming to speak for everybody? A catchphrase can exist elsewhere long before it becomes a catchphrase, for example, "Cowabunga" was in use among surfers long before it was popularised by the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The Welsh greeting "What's occurring?" has taken off around the UK since its appearance on BBC's "Gavin and Stacey" and the fact that over 40,000 people have joined a site (even if it is on Facebook) named after the catchphrase dedicated to the character who utters it is pretty conclusive. With regard to something being a TV catchphrase, I would have thought mention in a national paper would be a good enough source, but here's the BBC on the same subject. http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/southeastwales/hi/tv_and_radio/newsid_7843000/7843004.stm

If you think a TV comedy catchphrase has to appear in the OED first (!) then perhaps you would like to edit the article on TV's "The Fast Show", where every other character has a catchphrase such as "that's nice" and "Oh bugger" listed there. Gmackematix (talk) 00:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Second series
Hi There. I can't find a reliable source that it's been commissioned for a second series... could anyone help me?

Thanks, Black_Mesa (t | e | c) 11:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * James Corden was on SoccerAM on 13th May and said it was commisioned before the first episode aired. Also, Alison Steadman was on The New Paul O'grady show on 25th May with Will Mellor and also confirmed this. The Interviews are on YouTube, but that can't be used =/ Artynmay 08:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Gavin's age
It says "Gavin is 26 (Smithy refers to them meeting in infant school, at the age of 6, in 1983)" - this would mean that he'd have been born in 1977ish, which makes him 34 in 2007 when the first series was aired. Something's not right here! Fropome (talk) 09:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, 6 in 1983 would have made him around 30 in the first series, which is still wrong. F W Nietzsche (talk) 07:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Young mum
So Stacey's 26 and her mother's 40... I admit I haven't seen every episode, but has anybody said anything? Jahrsper 21:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The BBC site puts Gwen in her late forties. I've revised the page. Jess Cully (talk) 16:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Show's origins
I gather that one of the writers (both established actors who'd never written anything before) initialy came up with the idea of a TV film about "a wedding in which nothing happens", and the BBC asked them to expand it into a series involving their meeting. This should be covered in the article.--MartinUK (talk) 00:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

For the record, I thought the show was lousy, failing to connect as a serious/romantic drama and lacking real character development or jokes. The Shipman/West thing was unfunny and tasteless, while most of the backstory details (especially Stacey's multiple engagements) were neither believable nor funny. and Corden and Jones would have both been better off casting more-suitable actors for their roles. And surely Chasing Cars isn't the only love song ever written - how about something that hasn't been played so much to death? --MartinUK (talk) 00:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree and think that Nessa is the joy of the show - I feel I know her and the throwaway lines are a killer - but easily missed. A bit like Peter Kay's stuff you pick up more on the second showing. I have an advantage I confess I am Welsh and the humour just triggers something in me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.41 (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually MartinUK according to James Corden the Idea for the show came from his then girlfriend and it was to start a series about a girl from Wales and a boy from London, she felt she wouldn't have the skills to write it so James Cordon decided to recruit Ruth Jones (whom he met on "Fat Friends" and had some writing experience) they set to writing the show and shortly before the show was commissioned James Corden's Girlfriend opted out of the producing rights and they swiftly split up.Benv-b92 (talk) 15:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Lorraine Juniper
Article currently says this about Pam: "She is a dead ringer for Lorraine Juniper." Sorry if I'm missing something, but I've no idea who this is, and Google brings up nothing except a teacher at a school, so I think this line should go (or be expanded if its genuine). Probably a prank. Bwmodular 11:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Doris
"Doris spotted the unfortunate coincidence of the West and Shipman surnames ie Fred West/Rose West and Harold Shipman."

I missed this episode, but I don't understand what this sentence actually means. Can someone make it a bit clearer? --Bwmodular 11:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a joke that Gavin West and Stacey Shipman share the surnames of notorious serial killers Fred West and Harold Shipman. Nobody comments on this through the whole of the first series, until the final wedding episode, when Doris makes a comment that it's a shame that Stacey finally gets the chance to change her name from Shipman, and she marries someone called West. Thorin98 (talk) 09:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Stacey was actually WEST before she married and Gavin is SHIPMAN (Ls61283 (talk) 11:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC))


 * D'oh! Quite right, I got them the wrong way round. Thorin98 (talk) 08:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Baby Neil
Do we know if it's a Jenkins (Nessa) or a Smith (Smithy) for definite? Welshleprechaun (talk) 22:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't know for certain no, however convention states the baby should take the fathers name, but due to the context, we should keep it as Baby Neil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benv-b92 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed Welshleprechaun (talk) 23:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Gary and Simon
It says in the main article that Gary and Simon are never seen not even at the Wedding, however they arrive at Gavins house prior to the Stag event in Series 1 Episode 5 wearing T-Shirts saying Gary 'N' and 'N' Simon, however do not say anything. Does anyone object to me changing the main text? (Ls61283 (talk) 11:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC))


 * Just been browsing and noticed the same thing. Was going to look into amending it myself.  The scene where they walk in with the 'N' t-shirts is so funny!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.104.55.244 (talk) 15:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Coverage imbalance
Currently there's a quite substantial section detailing what music is played where (which is borderline trivia), but the only content about the actual plot/content of the show is "The first series comprises six episodes, chronicled the two leads' developing romance and ended with their marriage" - should there not be some more about the actual plot of the series? Currently even the fairly fundamental issue of how a romance could develop between a girl in Wales and a bloke in Essex isn't actually addressed.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Series Three removal
Why was this removed? Ruth Jones announced it herself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.60.252 (talk) 23:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

LGBT
Is there sufficient homosexuality in the show for this article to be LGBT categorised and tagged? Stacey's brother and uncle are both homosexual; the revealing of the uncle's orientation and the fishing trip incident with her brother is a major subplot. F W Nietzsche (talk) 07:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Uncle Bryn's probably homosexuality is never explicitly stated, only strongly hinted at. The whole fishing trip thing is confusing- it appears to be something sexual, which would be a bit heavy- incest usually is taboo for a comedy like this Mankytoes (talk) 01:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a lot of evidence that Bryn is homosexual, and no hint of him being straight. Whilst the incident isn't specified, I can't see it being possible that it could be anything other than a homosexual act. Why would Bryn want to keep it secret, unless: a) he wants to stay in the closet; b) the incestuousness of it makes it shameful? F W Nietzsche (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Whether Bryn is gay or not, I got the impression the incident was more accidental than anything. I remember hearing Bryn say 'it' (whatever 'it' is) happened because they were both so cold. Besides, it would obviously be pretty embarassing if it got out. Tachy99 (talk) 09:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * "I can't see it being possible that it could be anything other than a homosexual act." -- That would be the point of the joke, wouldn't it? Double entendres are used in comedy, whereas it's hard to see how a joke could be made of Bryn literally buggering his nephew in a tent. Furthermore, not only is there no evidence for Bryn's homosexuality, there isn't any evidence for his sexuality at all. That's what's supposed to be funny when he's shown in some trope of homosexuality: it contrasts with the character's lack of libido. 91.104.151.183 (talk) 11:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Character listings
Some of the character listings seem muddled- No man Jan was listed as seen and unseen. I don't remember seeing her, so I took her out that column.

Also some of them seem to have been written by someone who has watched about one episode. Such as Dick Powell "selling Sat Navs". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.228.98 (talk) 16:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Nessa
I know that the show is fictional and intended to make viewers laugh, but this article needs better info about Nessa. How old is she? (Ruth Jones, who plays her is in her early forties). She can't have had enough time to have had all the experiences she claims to have had. In addition, an obese chain smoker would not have had half the opportunities to do the things she claims to have done (unless she only became fat recently). Despite that, her profile in the main characters section states her claims (at least the one about being in All Saints) as true. Is she really meant to have done all the things she claims, or is she meant to be a fantasist / compulsive liar? In addition, if she really is, as she claims, so worldly wise, how can she be unaware of Dodi al-Fayed's death? (She claimed to have been in a sexual relationship with him, but he suddenly stopped seeing her, and she doesn't have a clue why). For someone with a menial, unskilled, low-paid job who lives in a downmarket area to be over-proud and boastful and claim so many contacts and liaisons with the rich and famous is ludicrous. There have not been any characters in the show who have ever backed, discredited, or even questioned any of her claims. Everyone seems to blindly believe the impossible contradictions between what she claims and what the life of someone like her would actually be like. That serves to make her unlikeable, which I don't think was the intention of the people who made the show (Jones is co-writer). I believe that the intention of the makers was that the audience would like all the main characters, but to create a character who is a loser, yet constantly makes false boastful claims in order to boost her ego and attempt to make people think she is wonderful when she clearly isn't, has somewhat dented their aim. Surely it is well-known that people who continually falsely claim to be brilliant and fantastically successful are strongly disliked, so why would such a character be created? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 01:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * erm... I think you've missed the point of the show - it's a comedy, it's supposed to be funny, the way nessa discussed her amazing (and in the gavin and stacey universe completely real) life history is funny. :) Coolug (talk) 20:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think after the last ep of series 3, its safe to assume that she is meant to have done all the things she claims to have done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.228.98 (talk) 21:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow! How can you ever hope to enjoy any comedy if you put that much thought into analysing character traits? 90.249.200.87 (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Music on the show
I think the music section should be cut down a lot, I can see why the theme tune should be mentioned, I can see why the libertines song should be mentioned as it's on pretty much every episode during the catch-up, but theres no need to note every song thats ever been played on the show. If bryn was singing along to a song once in the car, theres still no need to mention this in the article. It might be good to mention how the show does use a lot of very pop-culture songs however, and IMHO I think thats part of the charm (I was in a cab the other day and the '3 wise men' song came on the radio - I was so close to laughing out loud as I remembered gwens rant about the song) Coolug (talk) 20:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Unseen characters
Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. There's very little justification, if any, provided for having these characters listed, since they do not appear and are only referred to by other characters. If good policy reasons can be advanced for including them, fine. Otherwise, they should go as not worth mentioning. Comments? -- Rodhull andemu  00:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Judging you have provided a source for this, then I have no problem apart from the fact is is good information as I said, they play vital rolls in the script. Up until now they have not caused any hassle and the article is small enough as it is, so I believe it should stay under the WP:IAR policy. Regards, Zaps93 (talk) 01:03, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:IAR is a procedural guideline, not carte blanche for including minor detail in articles. If any of these characters play vital roles in the narrative, then their relevance will be reliably sourced, won't it? -- Rodhull andemu  01:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Unseen characters are often used and if they are recurring parts of the narrative then they can be just as important as seen characters. Big fat Sue for example is arguably as important as Nile's unseen wife in Frasier or Howard's mother in Big Bang Theory. 90.249.200.87 (talk) 16:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Pam's maiden name
On Wikipedia it says Pam's maiden name is Wiggell-Eschefska, but if you watch the dvd with subtitles it's spelt Griggell-Eschefska. Patyo1994 (talk) 14:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Named after serial killers
Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere that the main characters share surnames with infamous British serial killers? It was mentioned in the show once. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.246.135.176 (talk) 17:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Series three
I removed a paragraph from the series Three discussion as someone had inserted a few spoilers into the section, which is mainly on the genesis of series Three, without having flagged them. I also do not feel it is appropriate to have details of the end of series Three on the main page when these epdisodes have not even aired yet, so thanks for spoiling the series for me, whoever put them up in the first place. 212.183.140.34 (talk) 09:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that it is probably best to wait until the end of the series to have this information (and to include a source for the info). However a general Wikipedia consensus was reached a while ago, regarding all television programmes and films, that articles shall not be flagged for containing spoilers. Don't ask me where the record of this is, because I don't know, but I do know that it did happen, so maybe someone can provide a link, should you choose not to believe me. But the point is that if a reader chooses to read an article on a programme, they should expect spoilers and it is the reader's own fault for viewing the page in the first place if they didn't want to find out what happens. Maybe you haven't seen the film Die Hard. If you haven't, but want to, I don't suggest reading the article on it as it will undoubtedly contain the plot details. After all, this is an encyclopaedia - a hub of information. Welshleprechaun (talk) 13:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Music
Is it really necessary to have a list of songs heard throughout the series? Just seems like trivia to me. Welshleprechaun (talk) 19:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Removing this list. Restoration should be discussed here rather than reverting. Welshleprechaun (talk) 11:15, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

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