Talk:Gershon Baskin

Gershon Baskin Left-Wing
I recently sources a Jerusalem Post article saying that Gershon Baskin is left-wing. It was reverted due to WP:UNDUE WEIGHT and WP:REDFLAG. Regarding the undue weight, we can find a different place for it in the article. Regarding the redflag, I found an array of additional sources indicating that he is left-wing, including a Twitter post by Baskin himself stating "I am a left-wing Zionist.". So in addition to this self admission, we also have the Jerusalem Post (a paper that he writes for), the Jewish Press, and a post on his own website that calls him left-wing. I would say this is sufficient to make the claim that he is left-wing, wouldn't you? Eym174 (talk) 04:50, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the sources. I find the Jewish Press, which uses "left-wing" as an epithet, somewhat less than impressive ("Gershon Baskin, a prominent left-wing activist and the architect of the outrageous Gilad Shalit prisoner swap") but the others seem good, especially Baskin's tweet. Thanks again. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:18, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice to see you two here :) I'm concerned about the tweet as a self-published source. We can't rely on it for the article, especially in a BLP. I put in language relying on the JPost article. PPX (talk) 15:32, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I disagree about the self-published source being a problem. See WP:SELFSOURCE. So long as several criteria are met (and I think they are satisfied in this instance), self-published sources can be used as sources about themselves. (In other words, "be careful what you say about yourself" ) — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:46, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with Shabazz. It looks like all the criteria cited in WP:SELFSOURCE are met. Eym174 (talk) 05:57, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok. I stand corrected. I was feeling extra conservative with this being a BLP. But WP:BLPSELFPUB covers this. PPX (talk) 16:29, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Shabazz, I see you reverted my edit: "left-wing social and political activist? source?" As you see from the revert, I didn't add the fact that he was a "social and political activist," just the fact that he was left wing to which I provided 2 sources.
 * It seems that your issue is not with my edit, as we concluded that he is left-wing and there are sources, but with the previous description. If that is the issue, then we can either 1. try to find a source to back it up (for which I don't have time atm), or 2. remove it and add the left wing description in a new sentence. What do you prefer? Eym174 (talk) 11:38, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Please don't misrepresent your edit. You moved 'left-wing" from one part of the paragraph to another. Read the sentence as you left it: "He is a left-wing social and political activist..." In the future, please preview your work before you save it. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 16:50, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I think you might of misunderstood. There is no misrepresentation whatsoever as I clearly explained why the edit was made. The way the article was, stated that "He is a social and political activist" and "That paper has described him as holding left-wing political views." As we concluded, it is not only "that paper" that calls him left-wing, rather he calls himself left-wing. Given this, the way the article is now makes it seem like only Jerusalem Post defines him as left wing, which isn't the case. It is for that reason that I correctly moved the title of left-wing to be describing him and sourced it with his own Twitter post indicating that that this is correct.
 * Please explain to me what your issue is. Did we not conclude that he is left-wing? Is it therefore not correct to edit the article to reflect this? What exactly from my edit is not in line with the sources we have? Eym174 (talk) 17:03, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem is that you combined sources that describe Baskin as left-wing with a statement that he is a social and political activist, and made up your own "fact": that Baskin is a left-wing social and political activist. Then you lied about what you did. And you're still oblivious.
 * Please read WP:SYNTH. You can't combine material from multiple sources to reach a conclusion (left-wing social and political activist) that isn't in any of the sources. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 17:21, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I do not know where this animosity is coming from, but it is highly uncalled for. As I explained, I did not make up any such thing. In fact, I would have liked to remove the the part about the social and political activist - which wasn't even sourced - but almost every time I make an edit you revert it without explanation so I did not want to do that again. So how about we remove that part and put in the fact about him being left-wing that is sourced. Instead of assuming ill-intent, let's please try to better the articles. Eym174 (talk) 10:14, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

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