Talk:Giancarlo Esposito/Archive 1

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Night on Earth
Okay, the most brilliant film he played in was Jim Jarmush's 'Night on Earth' where he, alongside Armin Mueller-Stahl and Rosie Perez, portrayed YoYo wearing proudly his 'fresh hat'. Hilarious! I only know him from this movie since I first saw it in 1991...just thought the movie should be mentioned (124.182.107.227 (talk) 12:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC))

Breaking Bad [potential spoilers]
Esposito has not necessarily finished starring in Breaking Bad. It has not been confirmed if he will be in the next season or not - Vince Gilligan, the creator, has hinted maybe (and yes, this is considering what happened to Gus in the fourth season finale. Let us not forget what happened to Gale in the third season finale, but we did see him in season four!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.223.61 (talk) 18:35, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Giancarlo Esposito's Citizenship v. Ethnicity
From all accounts, Esposito is an American citizen. This makes him an award-winning American film and television actor. Apparently, his father was Italian and his mother is an Afrrican-American woman from Alabama. Unless there is a reference saying so, he is not an Italian citizen; that is, he is not "...an award-winning Italian film and...".

See MOS:BIO. It states:

"In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable."

Please note the following:

"Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability."Television fan (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Nationality is not the same thing as citizenship. Regardless, being born to an italian parent means he has Italian citizenship. Furthermore, he self-identifies as Italian. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 00:27, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Please provide a reference of his Italian citizenship, nationality, or permanent residence of Italy. The LA Times article which you cite says that "Im half-Italian and half-black, so I understood both sides on a deep level, says Esposito, center, in a scene with John Savage, left."  This statement is a statement of ethnicity -- "black" goes to ethnicity and not citizenship, nationality, or permanent residence.  This is not a citizenship, nationality, or permanent residence.


 * Please provide reference of what you say: "Regardless, being born to an italian parent means he has Italian citizenship." Television fan (talk) 00:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. I found the Italian citizenship which follows jus sanguinis meaning that "citizenship is not determined by place of birth but by having one or both parent who are citizens of the nation."  Thus, his father being Italian, makes his an Italian.  I updated accordingly.Television fan (talk) 01:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Read the link first two sentences of Italian American and the following is stated:
 * "Italian Americans (Italian: Italoamericani) are the United States citizens of Italian ancestry. The designation may also refer to someone possessing Italian and American dual citizenship.
 * The label "Italian American" applies to either citizenship (or what you refer to as nationality) or ethnicity. If the label "Italian American" and single link doesn't apply to Esposito, why doesn't it?  Please explain. Television fan (talk) 13:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Italian american typically refers to ethnicity rather than nationality. Esposito self identifies as italian. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 15:40, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * What is "typical" is supported in the Wikipedia link Italian American. The Wikipedia link Italian American supports a dual meaning of both ethnicity and/or nationality.  There is no one meaning of "Italian American" according to the Wikipedia link.  Is what you are saying different than what the Wikipedia link Italian American states?  How is what the link different than what you believe. Television fan (talk) 17:37, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

That is not the normal use of that phrase. The normal use of that phrase is a reference to ethnicity. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 17:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

That is not the normal use of that phrase. The normal use of that phrase is a reference to ethnicity. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 17:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. "Italian American" "normally" or "typically" refers to ethnicity in my opinion.  However, our opinion of what we both understand has to give way to a more objective sources.  Our personal subjective understanding needs to give way to the objective understanding stated in an objective reference which is provided by the Wikipedia link Italian American


 * The Wikipedia link supports the meaning of "Italian American" as we both understand. Between our personal understanding and the Wikipedia understanding, we cannot allow our personal, subjective understanding to supercede the objective understanding provided by Wikipedia. Television fan (talk) 18:02, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That article does not reference its assertion that the term refers to people with dual citizenship. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Which article are you refering to? The Wikipedia Italian American link? Television fan (talk) 20:46, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 21:00, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Evolution
I believe he is playing as one of the main antagonists in the new NBC film entitled, "Evolution", if someone might think that worth adding on this page. 76.28.152.119 (talk) 03:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

High School dropout?
Noteworthy is that Giancarlo went to Alexander Hamilton High School in Elmsford, New York and did not graduate with his class in 1976, chiefly due to not attending. He spent his teen years working on his acting career. I am unsure if he ever received a high school diploma or earned a G.E.D. Theaternearyou (talk) 20:05, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Make new page for Filmography?
Think he did enough film and tv shows to deserve a new page. What is the criteria for making a new filmography page for actors? 180.170.117.160 (talk) 09:59, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Nationality vs race in lead paragraph
The Italian-American description in the lead paragraph refers to the fact that he has Italian and American citizenship. It's not referring to his ethnic background, so there's no need to add African American or Black American, which is brought up in the "Early life" section. ... disco spinster   talk  17:02, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * He was born in Denmark not Italy. He's American since he was six years old, unless he's been living here illegally? There's no source I can find proving he has Italian or double citizenship. --76.213.231.161 (talk) 15:24, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There's no source I can find proving he has Italian or double citizenship -- then you didn't look; he automatically has Italian citizenship by virtue of his father being Italian. But that's neither here nor there; we refer to people by their nationality or ethnicity, not by their citizenship. It's absurd to call him "Italian-American" when he wasn't born or raised in Italy and for all we know he's never been there. It would make more sense to call him Danish-American, but that would be absurd too. He's an American actor, born in Denmark, with Italian and black heritage. -- Jibal (talk) 07:51, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Could I suggest Danish-born Italian-American? It was very confusing while I was reading. And not mentioning Denmark just feels incorrect. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 01:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * excuse me, I'll translate next time: non necessariamente, molti americani discendono da italiani che trasferitisi in America da piccoli non hanno mai perso la cittadinanza; tuttavia i dicendenti devono fare tutta la trafila burocratica per ottenere la cittadinanza italiana, visto che per l'anagrafe italiana loro sono del tutto sconosciuti.. --2.226.12.134 (talk) 18:57, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

He's American. It doesn't matter if he's "eligible" because of a parent when no reliable source has been provided stating that he has dual citizenship to any other country. He was born in Denmark and then moved to the United States as a child, where he has lived ever since. America is where he's most famous and notable in and as far as I know, is the country where he continues to live in. Please see MOS:BIOLEAD and MOS:CONTEXTBIO. His ethnic background is covered extensively throughout the article, but he's just an American. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 07:39, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Adding hidden comment to NOT add "Italian" in his lede. He's just American.
I'm asking this because every so often, I notice users keep adding "Italian-American" in his lede. Even though he was born in Denmark and moved to USA when he was 6 years old. AFAIK, he still lives/works/resides in USA to this day. His Early life section covers his family, and I don't see any trustworthy or undeniable proof mentioning that he has Italian citizenship. Even if he did (and again, I see no proof provided), it would be irreverent to his lede, because as I already mentioned, he was born in Denmark, has lived in USA since he was a child and is most notable in and continues to work in American/Hollywood productions. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 04:09, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added the hidden comment. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 00:34, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

His marriage/divorce to his wife.
Someone put 2015 without citing any reliable sources besides that claim. His TV Guide profile claims that a woman named "Joy McManigal" is his wife, but the unsourced 2015 divorce claim seems to be contradicted by a October 2011 interview with Esposito himself. He mentions his "ex-wife" and being "divorced from her". Quote: "Well, I’m divorced from my wife, although we are very dear friends ... My ex-wife ..." So, either he filed for divorce before October 2011 (which does not actually mean that a divorce is finalized) and it was finalized in 2015 (which I have not found any reliable claims to) or they really did finalize a divorce before or in 2011. Until then, I'm leaving it to just say that they are divorced without adding a marriage year or the year in which the divorce was finalized. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 22:00, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Mii
Irish 77.75.244.143 (talk) 18:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)