Talk:Gillian Anderson/Archive 1

English and Irish descent?
Is there a reliable source for this? All I could find were wiki-mirrors and such sites Mad Jack 05:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

XF controversy
DELETED: Despite the success of The X-Files'', Anderson admitted that she hated her time on the show and will never appear in another TV series. The actress insisted that the only reason she played Agent Scully for nine years was because she enjoyed the financial rewards of starring on the show. Interestingly, she has since expressed interest in being in the possible X-Files 2 movie, she also returned to TV with BBC series Bleak House.''

Rewrite this using respectable sources (for instance: http://www.gilliananderson.ws/news/index.shtml#newsitemEEZZyFEkpZEhLBVAid ) or don't even touch it. Frey 05:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Good thing it's deleted! she didn't actually hate the job that much... 130.13.114.251 06:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

lol nice try [personal attack removed]. Justerbuster 11:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Other people named Gillian Anderson
If I understand correctly, there's some composer or film music researcher or somebody named Gillian Anderson. Could she have her own article, to separate from the actress? (Entheta 00:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC))


 * Yes, start a page named Gillian Anderson (composer) (or whatever), and add one of the otheruses templates to the top of this page. --h2g2bob (talk) 01:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Confusing reference to academic credentials
"She also studied at the National Theatre of Great Britain at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York."

This statement seemed somewhat confusing: the (Royal) National Theatre of Great Britain is located in London, see Royal National Theatre, not at Cornell.

Her official website states: "The high school hellcat buckled down in college, earning a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree and even doing “bits and pieces” in the National Theatre of Great Britain's summer program at Cornell University"

I took the liberty of clarifying the original sentence by adding the summer program part. Textor (talk) 05:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Friends with Duchovny
The article currently states: Anderson is friends with her fellow co-star on The X-Files, David Duchovny. However, reuniting with Duchovny for filming was "the first time I'd seen David in ages," according to Anderson http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/pages/Entertainment/Detail?contentId=6936931&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=7.2.1 So what is the meaning of "being friends" here? That they don't hate each other? I suggest to remove the sentence in the article.--134.130.4.46 (talk) 21:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I see your point, but they can still be friends without meeting regularly, and from the (only) interview I've read with the both of them there does seem to be some chemistry there. So I don't think the article needs amending there. 81.187.90.140 (talk) 18:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually removed the statement as NN. The fact they're friends, really, isn't notable. It's quite common for longtime co-stars to be friends. Now if they were in a relationship, or if a source were provided to say that the two regularly have dinner together and have kept in touch since X-Files ended, then maybe. But as I said in my edit summary, it falls into the "yeah, so?" category at best and the "fan cruft" category at worst. 68.146.41.232 (talk) 14:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

TXF audiobooks
I know she has registered one/some of TXF novels (series with : Goblins, Whirlwind, Ground Zero, Ruins, Antibodies, Skin). Which one exactly and when (what year). I also know, that Mitch Pileggi has done the same. Were this the same books at the same time ? If not, than which ? (83.20.28.6 (talk) 21:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC))

Extremis
Wouldn't it be well worth being mentioned here ? Her singing that song and acting in the videoclip ? (83.20.28.6 (talk) 21:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC))

Image missing

 * The image that was there was quite hideous and did Gillian no justice. I have replaced it with a CC licensed image (Some Rights Reserved with Attribution), so we can be rid of the previous image forever.


 * What happened to [[Image:Anderson_as_Scully.jpg]]? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by JWSchmidt (talk • contribs).


 * "There exist over 180 fake nude and pornographic images of her; only one of which (a nipple-slip at an awards ceremony) has been proven genuine."

er, a fake image has been proven genuine? curious. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sysys (talk • contribs).


 * yeh, and the next sentence said she's performed nude. Totally unverifiable, and unreferenced, and certainly not encyclopedic. I've removed it. └UkPaolo/TALK┐ 22:43, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Im really sorry if i wasn't meant to put in the photo, i just took it from the filmography section..eek. Bitbitz.xx 06:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Can someone Please change the picture to something better like this? http://media.theinsiders.com/Media/Other/44_Agent-Scully.JPG Please! A picture like this would be much better!!!Justerbuster 11:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The current picture really ist hideous... 88.73.129.185 (talk) 23:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, Can we find one from I want to believe or something...... this one sucks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngates87 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Why did you change that photo back to that really hideous one? What's wrong with you guys? There's like a thousand photos of Gillian Anderson, with CREATIVE COMMONS licenses, that we can use instead. Here's a great one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66164549@N00/201845466/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danieljamesquinn (talk • contribs) 21:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Vegan?
Does anyone have any references that prove that Anderson is actually a vegan (or that she isn't)? Please let me know. n-k, 01:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

English?
I'm not entirely sure it's accurate to describe her as an English actress. Are her parents English? Does she consider herself English? Does she have American citizenship? Where does she reside now? It might be easier not to determine her ethnicity and just describe her as an actress. White43 (talk) 12:03, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a low-grade edit war on the lede paragraph about whether she is American-English or American. This is about her citizenship and not ethnicity. However, I can't find any reliable sources that say whether she is an American citizen or if she has dual citizenship. Finding one that states it definitively would help a great deal. Elizium23 (talk) 21:02, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Gillian considers herself to be American, just saying (she doesn't even have British citizenship). (talk August 27, 2012. —Preceding undated comment added 01:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Anderson was born in Chicago, thus, an American national, and an American actress. If you are born in England, you are a British national. If Anderson had dual-nationality, she would have been married to a British national, and her nationality would be known as American-British (or she could have completely revoked her American nationality). Anderson 'might' have an American-English accent due to time spent in England, but I dont claim I am half American just because I spent 10 years in New York. If Andersons previous husbands were British, then she might be able to retain a dual American-British nationality, but for the factual reliability of wikipedia, it should be left at what is known... which is 'born in America, thus American' (as stated on her official website - biography page), until proven otherwise. You can state you feel American-English, or feel like a British-American actor because you spend a lot of time there, but a statement or a feeling is not for wikipedia, unless you state this, and quote this from a source.

Improper facts
Tom Braidwood is not her partner! Maybe in Frohike's dreams... Can someone update with the right info? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.82.232 (talk) 07:09, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Her real hair color is NOT ash-blonde but in fact more along the line of a brown or a brownish red, according to "The Unauthorized Biography of Gillian Anderson", (although it is unauthorized). Also, she has a tattoo on her ankle of a turtle, (I think it's a sea turtle), though she might have another tattoo on her ankle. She also recently announced that she is pregnant with her second child.

There's no such thing as an english american in nationality. Anderson was born in the USA, has no british nationality, and only attended school in england. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Testphrases (talk • contribs) 17:37, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

category at end of page
The category "Bisexual actresses" should be added to the bottom of the page, as in the personal life section, she has indicated that she is such. Stopde (talk) 11:00, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Where did you read that? She hasn't explicitly identified as a bisexual. Indeed, she's been rather equivocal about her sexual orientation, and this post by her should speak volumes. 68.9.116.121 (talk) 02:53, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Infobox image
I do not like the new infobox image. It is overexposed, and the microphone partly obscures her face. Furthermore, it was not discussed here on the talk page before deployment by, in what is essentially a drive-by distribution of his own work. Please change it back. Elizium23 (talk) 04:33, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the current image is an improvement over the old one.-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 02:27, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

LGBT?
Anderson has had at least three significant relationships with men (two husbands and a long-time boyfriend) and, by them, she had three children. She says that, while she was in HIGH SCHOOL, she had a close relationship with a girl, the extent of which is not elaborated. I don't think that a teenage experiment places Anderson in the Lesbian or Bisexual categories. I think to be considered LGBT, one either has to self-identify as one of these orientations or have a significant same sex, ADULT relationship.

If Anderson has had an adult relationship with a woman (even lasting a few months), I'm all for applying the Category:Bisexual actors. But, from what I've seen here, she has almost continuously been in committed relationships with men. Newjerseyliz (talk) 17:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)


 * By the way, I find it a bit bizarre that there was no information about her husbands and children included in her infobox. This is standard infobox material for actors, writers, directors, etc. I have edited it to include this information. Newjerseyliz (talk) 17:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * What has been stated in this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality clears up this matter quite sufficiently. Flyer22 (talk) 18:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you find unclear about Anderson's most recent statement - that she does not view gender as relevant in choosing a partner - but regardless, there was no call to add back the ridiculous Daily Mail source. Please remove it at once. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:11, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The Daily Mail source wasn't added by me - if you care to go back and see, I will however remove it as its source is the "out" interview that's already linked. She has repeatedly identified herself as "an actively heterosexual woman" in the last year. It's her prerogative to be identified however she wants. Sexuality is about how an individual defines himself, not what's put on him/her by others. She never identified herself as bisexual. She never identified herself as anything other than heterosexual, despite having the experience and being open minded about future relationships. You should also note that this was already mentioned here in 'Talk'; please read the following statement by Anderson and note how her words were twisted before and how it hurt her, so we should try and maintain accuracy about the subject: http://www.gilliananderson.ws/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?id=EFuulyAZVEUqPPETgM&style=print
 * --TonyIsTheWoman (talk) 05:07, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Stating that she's had relationships with women in the past is immaterial re: how we categorize living people, but stating that she'd be open to having another same-sex relationship in the future isn't. We should respect the subject's most recent statement on the matter. Again, I must ask you to remove the unsourced and sensationalist claim about her "experimenting" during her "rebellious" phase. It will reflect better upon you if you revert your poor edit yourself rather than obliging someone else to do so. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 15:31, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

CN's
I added some CN tags and a citation, because there were some quotes that didn't have sources noted, and some potentially controversial statements also un-reff'd. While I agree that there are a lot, maybe even 'too many links' in the list, I think quotes in particular need to be directly (and as immediately as possible) reff'd. If we need to cull some ref's I'd suggest looking at passages that end in two or three refs and removing one or more of those. An example would be: Where none of the three refs is particularly more enlightening or authoritive than the others. More is not always better.
 * She starred as Miss Havisham in a three-part BBC adaptation of Great Expectations that aired in late December 2011.[37][38][39]

Phrasing, my edit reverted.
I edited "... has taken on the stage ..." to: "... has worked on ..." and it was reverted. "Has taken on"? What does that even mean? Did she put it on like a cloak, or a persona? She picked a fight with it? She adopted it into her care and protection? These are all uses of 'taken on' that I have previously encountered. If it means "has worked on" then just say "has worked on" And how 'has taken on' is any more 'congruous', as claimed on the reversion, is a mystery to me.

--Wayne 02:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey, Wayne!

- If you please go back and see my latest edit in the article's history, you would see that it had absolutely nothing to do with your edit. The article received a warning (by user koavf) of having too many links in the 'External links' section, thus I removed the links to the interviews (interviews, not references) in that section alone. So when I wrote: "RE warning of too many links - removing links to interviews", I was simply describing why I was removing the interviews in the 'External links' section. I hope that clears the misunderstanding on the matter. :)

If we're already on the subject; I reckon the article has an adequate amount of references. If anything, there are one or two places that could use references. I'm gonna add them later on (or when I'll have the time). And RE Great Expectations references - while adding to the article, I did notice the multiple references myself and thought to remove the other two and merely keep the BBC source, but decided to check them closer later on, before making any changes. Also, it's far from something that requires an immediate attention.

- RE phrasing of stage work - it's not my personal phrasing, however - I believe articles' openers ought to be altered and reverted as infrequent as possible. In fact, IMO it's best not to change phrasings, nor make additions to it, unless there's actually a sufficient enough reason in doing so. Current phrasing was intact in article's opener for a long time and I believe it is - in fact - a really fit phrasing that works here very well. --TonyIsTheWoman (talk) 23:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 16:17, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Picture
The picture of her isn't very good- anyone got a better one? Notsharon 07:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * We only use free content images to identify people. Do you own one? click here. --h2g2bob (talk) 06:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Someone please change the picture! this one does her no justice! :(Justerbuster 11:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

lol indeed, certainly not flattering.

Being that this is an article relating to Gillian herself, it seems fitting that the picture used is a picture of Gillian as herself as the main photo, not as Scully, though she may be best known for that role. Gillian has stated on several occasions how she wants to be known as an actor, not just as a single character, so I think it's only fair. If you wanna look at pictures of Scully, go to Scully's wiki page. There's quite a nice one there! ;) 16:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok ok, so if it must be one of Gillian Anderson as her real self, how about a piture of her from one of the awards or openings? Here are some good examples of some nice pictures that could be placed here instead of the current one.

http://us.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/0485-pla/anderso3.gil.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Anderson%2C%20Gillian%20(I)&seq=48

http://us.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/0485-pla/anderso2.gil.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Anderson%2C%20Gillian%20(I)&seq=154

http://us.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1385/GillianAnd_Grani_382920_400.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Anderson%2C%20Gillian%20(I)&seq=113

http://us.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/0451-the/anderso2.gil.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Anderson%2C%20Gillian%20(I)&seq=160

As you can see, I don't want to change the picture just so I can look at pictures of Scully, but so that when people look up Gillian Anderson, they will see her for the actual real beauty she is! Justerbuster 11:19, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If you can get the license on any of those pictures changed so they're free use, then we'll cheerfully use them. As it stands now, they are all copyrighted and as a result, not usable. Remember: on Wikipedia, free use trumps fair use. Tabercil 21:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Umm, there WAS one with a CC license before, but someone changed it back to the hideous image. Why did you change that photo back to that really hideous one? What's wrong with you guys? There's like a thousand photos of Gillian Anderson, with CREATIVE COMMONS licenses, that we can use instead. Here's a great one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66164549@N00/201845466/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danieljamesquinn (talk • contribs) 21:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That photo wasn't usable because of its license. I emailed the owner and he has kindly agreed to change the license so we can use it. I will switch the pictures --Bucephalus (talk) 13:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

That's one ugly picture :/ Crowless (talk) 05:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Accent
What is her accent? Does she have a British accent, or a regular English one? 'Cause on The X-Files, she uses her no-accent. Please tell me and put it in the article. Michael Houang 04:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)1


 * She doesnt have an accent in real life, she just talks more enthusiasticly and stuff.Justerbuster 11:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it says somewhere in the article that she used to have an accent when she was a kid but she proceeded to do away with it because she was made fun of in school.Justerbuster 01:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Gillian grew up in London from ages 2-11, therefore, it was her first "dialect" of spoken English. She moved back to the US at age 11 and was teased for her accent, so she quickly assimilated into an American one. She's been asked in several interviews why she has such a perfect British accent, as she does normally speak in all media appearances with it, and she explains that it's natural and now that she's back to living in London, it just happens naturally.


 * "does she have a british accent or a regular english one?"


 * erm...there is no such thing as a 'british accent'. that's like me asking "does arnold schwarzenegger have a european accent, or is it just a regular austrian one?" 86.135.164.200 13:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That is indeed one of the most bizarre comments I have ever read on Wikipedia. Can anyone explain what a "British" accent is? Badgerpatrol 13:42, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You're a moron....of courser there is such thing as a British accent or English accent. What the hell else would you call it you freaking moron. All of you guys in here are NERDS   get a life  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.72.168.138 (talk) 14:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, you're a moron. There is an English accent, there is a Scottish accent, there is a Welsh accent, and there is a Northern Ireland accent. There are regional dialects of each. But there is no British accent. What you are thinking is a "British" accent is I suspect an English one, and possibly a southern English one at that. Badgerpatrol 14:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, when I mean British accent, I meant how the people in the U.K. spoke. you know? their accent... Sorry about this. Michael Houang (talk) 03:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I don't know. Can you explain further? What's the difference between an English accent and a British one? I'm intrigued... Badgerpatrol (talk) 19:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Britain is not England, once you got that it is easier to imagine. Billy Connoly does not have an English accent, he has a Scottish accent. People confuse British with English because England is the most populous part of Britain, but it is no more Britain than California is America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.16.27 (talk) 23:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No intelligent person confuses "Britain" with "England", although it certainly does often happen. The point is- there is no "British" accent, except in the collective sense of covering Welsh, Scottish, English, Cornish, N. Irish, etc. - i.e. not at all in the sense meant by the original poster above. A "British" accent cannot be distinct from an "English" accent, because it doesn't exist. Badgerpatrol (talk) 00:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Plenty of people confuse the term "British accent" with "English accent" more then likely due to the term "British English" which is supposed to distinct English language in the UK from other English languages around the world. Intelligence has nothing to do with the confusion, its a simple misunderstanding, matter of fact I just read an article in "The New Yorker" were a columnist referred to a man's accent as British. It's quite a common mistake and it's not necessary to insult someone's intelligence for making it. PhoenixPrince (talk) 09:46, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Erm, yeah I agree that the whole deal about confusing "Britain" with "England" is a bit silly, especially since it's a sensitive subject to quite a few. Some of you could explain things more gently though. As was said above, Gillian's "natural" accent is English - a London one, as I understand it - and that's because she grew up in the London area.


 * Calanor (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'm confused by how this turned in another direction...


 * I think he meant "Does she have an English Accent or an American Accent in real life?". Yes there is a difference. 174.17.83.18 (talk) 07:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Of course there is a difference between English and American accents, nobody here said different, in fact, that wasn't even the discussion. The issue was that the original poster asked whether she has a 'regular' English accent or a British accent in real life (or a 'no-accent', meaning American, which is frankly a little offensive as even Americans have accents) which is a little bit of a non-sequitur as both terms are used to refer to the same accent. It therefore is a mystery as to what the original poster thinks either 'regular English' or British accents are, when they are commonly thought to be the 'pip-pip cheerio' thing that Hugh Grant has going on.


 * In actual fact it's a hell of a lot more complicated, nothing so generalised as a English or British accent exists. You have Received Pronunciation (what the Queen has), Cockney (Michael Caine/Russell Brand), a nameless more general London accent (think Jude Law), Liverpudlian (the Beatles), Brummie (Ozzy Osbourne), Geordie (Cheryl Cole/Christopher Eccleston), Yorkshire (Sir Patrick Stewart), West Country (Hagrid from Harry Potter), Mancunian (Ian McShane/the Gallagher brothers). Listen to any of these and you'll hear that they're all completely different, and this is just England alone! You then have the variations in Wales (from Anthony Hopkins to Catherine Zeta Jones - her real voice, that is), Scotland (David Tennant to Gordon Brown to Ewan McGregor), and additionally the accent of Northern Ireland too (Liam Neeson). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.213.234 (talk) 02:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Christopher Eccleston is about as Mancunian as you can get! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.193.163.69 (talk) 12:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * While it is not a "British accent" per se, Received Pronunciation (R.P.) is spoken by many Britons throughout all of the constituent countries of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (U.K.). Received Pronunciation is often considered by many to be the "standard" accent of Britons everywhere, if such a one exists. As for what Gillian Anderson's preferred or "standard" accent is, I believe she switches between Standard American English (S.A.E.) and Received Pronunciation (R.P.) depending on the context of the conversation in question, such as when speaking to Britons or Americans; changing the accent accordingly. Case in point, Standard American English (S.A.E.) is considered by most people to be the "American" accent, although there are hundreds, if not thousands of different accents and dialects of the English language spoken by the over three hundred and nine million people that reside throughout the United States of America (U.S.A.). Anyway, cheers, mate. Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 10:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't quite agree with all of that. RP is the standard accent of middle and upper class people brought up in the South of England. It is not a common accent in any other part of the UK, except of course for RP speakers who have moved there from the South of England.  Very few people brought up in Scotland, Ireland, Wales, or even Northern England speak RP.  There are exceptions for people from the wealthiest classes who have been educated in English boarding schools.  E.g, a Scottish aristocrat - even a Highland Clan chieftain! - will often speak RP.  But increasingly even RP speakers are modifying their accent towards 'Estuary' Engliah.109.158.132.41 (talk) 13:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Listening to a (UK) radio interview with her this evening, she definitely sounded English, but wasn't using RP (few normal people do). She sounded like a well educated middle class person from northern England, though there was nothing obviously regional there. I suppose, given her history, her natural accent might be expected to be a little odd. I must admit I expected her to sound like Dana Scully, which I suppose is a tribute to her acting skills, though if an actor who spent their teenage years in the US can't do a good Standard American then there's no hope for them. --Ef80 (talk) 19:57, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Americans all sound the same to Brits? Crowless (talk) 17:30, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I was referring to General American. Most Brits would have trouble distinguishing between, say, Illinois and California speakers. Even a Canadian accent isn't obvious, which makes many of the South Park jokes about Canadians a bit puzzling. Brits can generally identify northern American, southern American and New York, though more detailed awareness is growing with increased media exposure (just as Americans are increasingly aware that not all Brits sound like the Queen). HTH. --Ef80 (talk) 10:32, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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