Talk:Giselle Donnelly

November 2020
I dislike her as much as the next person, but it's highly offensive and extremely improper to be using a picture of her from when she had not come out. Do better, Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.155.43.69 (talk) 21:05, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The picture in question has been removed. However, when it comes to public figures who came out after their career started, there is potentially some encyclopedic value to having an older photo.  Compare Caitlyn Jenner, which includes both modern and historical photographs.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  22:43, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The Flickr page where the previous file was sourced may contain more updated media of her. We can't use material from AEI's website directly due to restrictive licensing. (We could with permission, but OTRS is backlogged for weeks, months or more at Commons.) The AEI Flickr images are published Creative Commons, and we can use those on Wikimedia Commons immediately. They're kinda bulk uploaded however – will have to slog through them for inclusion at Commons. Do better, by doing it yourself! --  dsprc   [talk]  14:55, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Name
This article doesn't mention the name under which Giselle Donnelly was born and became an important Washington scholar/advocate. Thomas Donnelly was a prominent neoconservative foreign policy specialist. I understand that the rule is: "It was decided that that Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography § Names should be updated to say that a trans or non-binary person's former name should only be mentioned in the lead if they were notable under that name."

Actually, I don't think that rule goes far enough. Wikipedia entries on a person who became notable under a stage name or married name still mention the person's name at birth. An encyclopedia should include full information.

Sajita (talk) 13:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @Sajita – Added to lede "Gisselle Donnelly (born Thomas Donnelly)" per Chelsea Manning and Caitlyn Jenner. Happy Trails! -- dsprc   [talk]  14:05, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also: MoS aren't rules; they're guidelines – strong guidelines, but still only guidance. WP:IAR is policy, and the only rule that ever matters. -- dsprc   [talk]  15:47, 19 August 2022 (UTC)