Talk:Give Me a Ring Sometime

Citing this episode's plot?
To Lihaas: Is citing the plot really necessary? Let's look at Avatar's plot. I wanted to discuss this in your talk page, but it needs archiving. --George Ho (talk) 14:42, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Merge back?
There are already enough information about the pilot in Cheers (season 1). Why resurrecting it? The plot is not that impactful enough to benefit a stand-alone anymore, and reviews... image growing number of redundant reviews, good or bad. I realize that balancing the article is pointless if same information is already merged into the season article. "The Boys in the Bar" do have significant reviews enough to benefit a stand-alone, and "Coach's Daughter" may have some valuable reviews and production notes. The pilot... well, information already belongs to the season, and any other information is worthless. --George Ho (talk) 03:41, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I oppose this merge because this is an important and substantive article. I don't think the entire 9K of text needs to be merged into Season 1 and I don't think it should be deleted from WP.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There are enough information about the plot, the Casting, and the awards in the Season article. Reception, as I realized, is the least worthy of all. And to which "9K" text are you referring? I believe that you haven't read the Season article, have you? --George Ho (talk) 03:58, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I mean, I don't need to merge info about ratings of the pilot; rerun ratings are sufficiently mentioned in Season article. Moreover, first-run ratings are sufficient; reruns of the pilot are excessive, redundant, and worthless anymore to me. Critical reviews are not that worthy to merge; all the critics did say are basic stuff without much value. In other words, they are attempts to balance fiction and reality, but fiction has more value and importance. The season article already exists with same info that this article has, so there is no fear to lose worthless info, as more worthy info is already copied-and-pasted. --George Ho (talk) 04:04, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * George, you must remember that what is "worthless" to you may be important to others, and vice-versa. This article has an abundance of secondary sources. There's no need to merge. Joefromrandb (talk) 07:06, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Regardless of a kind, remember that this is an episode (well, a pilot), and every episode is a subtopic of a season, and every season is a subtopic of a show. That makes an episode a sub-subtopic, doesn't it? Secondary sources... as I realized, are just extras to make balance; plot matters. Look at the plot itself: some guy brings in his fiancee and then jilts her. Then that fiancee gets hired by the bartender. Other people were introduced. That's all. Inspiring or not, amount of summary is sufficient for readers. As someone said, why would any reader learn more about anything besides the plot? --George Ho (talk) 13:27, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - while there's quite some overlap between this article and the episode article (casting and setting, for example), the reception section alone justifies a stand-alone article. I don't agree with George Ho's assessment of what the critics say, and even if it were just basic stuff, they got it published, which suffices for our purposes. Huon (talk) 11:44, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Since the season article is the main aspect, perhaps must I skim down the Casting and Setting sections? --George Ho (talk) 13:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose per above. This article has too much/lots of information that couldn't be merged fully into a season article. There is an overlap. There's no need to merge at all. TBrandley 18:01, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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Michael McGuire
Unsure why mentioning Michael McGuire (actor) in just the infobox is sufficient enough. Why not re-duplicate his name in prose, which somebody using an IP has been reverting? George Ho (talk) 02:32, 22 August 2021 (UTC)