Talk:Goalkeeper

Goal area
I removed the reference to the goal area as there are no provisions in the FIFA rules forcing players to leave the area, its only purpose is to define the area within which a goal kick is taken. Removed the reference to "two hands on the ball" which is also not mentioned, possession of the ball is defined in law 12 decision 2 of the FIFA rules. These rules are available here

http://images.fifa.com/fifa/handbook/laws/2003/LOTG2003_e.pdf

Bob Palin 18:04, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Where in the Laws of Football does it say that the goalkeeper can not be challenged at all when he has possession of the ball?

--DaveB 06:59, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * It's an indirect free kick offence to "prevent to goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands" (Law 12), but that's not quite the same thing. I suppose if you try and kick the ball from his hands, that would be dangerous play. Didn't somebody head the ball from a keeper's hands recently? sjorford 08:13, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * As I understand, the goalkeeper can not be challenged if he has the ball in both hands. However the goalkeeper can not hold the ball for more than six seconds. SimonMayer 10:49, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * It is correct that it is an offence to prevent the keeper from releasing the ball. Kicking the ball from the goalkeepers hands is indeed dangerous play, and yes there was an incident a number of years ago in which an attacker headed the ball when the keeper was holding it with one hand (this case is often brought up in referee exams!). If the keeper is holding the ball in one hand, he has control of the ball; heading the ball out of his hands (legal) is a challenge :-)


 * The current (post-1996ish rewrite) text of the laws does not make mention of the keeper being exempt from being challenged when holding the ball (whether two hands or not), and the old (pre-1996ish rewrite) text of the Laws/Q+A/IFAB-Decisions implied that the keeper could be challenged in some way. Other than the prohibition on preventing the keeper from releasing the ball, the Laws do not explicitly differentiate between play when the keeper has control of the ball and when he does not. Most "restrictions" on contesting the keep are just aspects of the normal dangerous play rules in Law 12.


 * This may all seem pedantic, but there are enough minor myths regarding the Laws floating around, so we should look to keep the facts straight.


 * --Daveb 00:27, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

"Netminder"
I notice "netminder" has been added as an alternative term for goalkeeper in some sports. Could someone please tell me which major sports use this as a formal term? If not we should remove it (we don't want lists of informal terms blowing out). --Daveb 07:20, 5 May 2005 (UTC) Ice hockey?Jatrius (talk) 12:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Handball
Should there be a section for handball?Tom 01:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Goalkeeper's different colour jersey
While not an important change, I though it would be better to slightly modify it. The laws of the game state that... "each goalkeeper wears colours that distinguish him from the other players, the referee and the assistant referees." and I do believe that shorts and socks must also be of a different colour. Paddy -) 02:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Goalkeepers when defending??
I don't really know what it's meant by... "As the goalkeeper is usually the team's only player who can see the entire field, they often act as an organizer of the team when it is defending."

If it means putting a wall at a free kick, this is a bit obvious, Soccer is a team sport and I think all the team do organise and help each other all the time, not really understand the sentence, and don't see the point of it being there, I still didn't delete it though, I'll let yous decide. Paddy -) 02:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Paddy, i think what the writer is trying to imply, and I speak as a goalkeeper my self for Field Hockey, the goalkeeper is, in may sports, responsible for the placement and playing style of his defence when the ball is turned over from attack into defence. The goalkeeper tells the players who they should mark/engage, when to do it and what the likely path of the ball down the pitch is given that the goalkeeper can see pretty much everyone in the other team and has the ability (hopefully) to read their runs and read the pattern of play.

Andy Krebs 11-Jan-09 09:56AM

Gaelic football goalkeepers
Better explanation needed, I thought all Gaelic footballers were aloud to touch the ball with their hands. Paddy -) 02:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

John Burridge - an all-time great?
Great character that he is, I don't think that even JB himself, would put himself in the same company as Banks or Jennings or Southall or Zoff or Yashin. Somebody's having a laugh!Jatrius (talk) 12:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Field Hockey Goalkeepers Crossing The 23m Line
I have amended this section to read as it does as the previous incarnation implied directly that the only time a goalkeeper could cross the 23m line was when he was taking a penalty stroke. Rule 10.1 indicates that a goalkeeper who removes his padding may take part in play anywhere on the pitch, but still enjoys the privaleges of a goalkeeper when in his D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.209.136 (talk) 10:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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Wiki Education assignment: Technical Editing
— Assignment last updated by Pug888 (talk) 02:35, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Editing Scope
Hi fellow editors! I am looking to edit and work on this article for the next few weeks. I believe that this article could benefit from a few revisions to make it as Wiki-friendly as possible. The major edits that I will be looking into will be in regard to the organizational structure as well as making the focus of the article more coherent. I’m going to create a sandbox to examine the article and shift to live edits once it is ready to be edited. Any feedback is welcome and appreciated! --Pug888 (talk) 03:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Lead Edits
I edited the first sentence in the lead to display "the goalkeeper" as early as possible, as recommended in MOS:BOLDTITLE. The following change I made was removing weasel words from the lead, like "special rules," to avoid violating WP:NPOV. Pug888 (talk) 21:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Article Organization
I went through the article and revised the formatting of the example's sports given, so they all share the same paragraph format. I believe the list in some of the sections, like Bandy and Handball, gives information more weight than others, and removing them improves the structure and weight of the information given as suggested in STRUCTURE.

Although I haven't edited it yet, I believe there is still a Weight issue in the article. Many of the example sports listed have main articles attached to them that provide in-depth information about the subject, which is why they are linked. I believe that the sports with the main articles linked don't need as much information in this article, especially if the extra information is stated in the main article. I think that the "association football" section is given more weight than the others, and to maintain a neutral point of view in this article, some of the information should be removed. I want to remove the paragraph discussing "The death of Sunderland A.F.C. goalkeeper Jimmy Thorpe." While this information is wonderful and important, I believe it isn't necessary for this article, but I wanted to get others' opinions on it before I edit, so please let me know what you think.

Finally, I think reorganizing the examples into categories such as Field Sports, Winter Sports, Indoor Sports, and Water Sports would make the article easier to navigate. I want to get others' opinions before I make these bigger edits, so please let me know what you think! Pug888 (talk) 01:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Recent Edits To The Article
Hi all! I went through and made some minor edits to the wording and structure of the article. The main thing I revised while editing was the repeated use of the pronoun "he" when describing the goalkeeper. Pronoun and Gender-neutral language suggests avoiding gender-specific pronouns unless for a specific reason, for example, in the men's lacrosse and women's lacrosse section of this article. There was also a repetition of the word "special" to describe the specific rules goalkeepers, which works as a weasel word MOS:WEASEL and makes the information not neutral.

I went through the article and tagged where citations were needed. I noticed that a lot of citations are needed after describing certain rules or changes in rules made by the main owners/organizations of the sport, like the NCAA. Organizations like NCAA's rules are public, and I believe that they could really boost the verifiability of this article.

Lastly, I believe that the last section of this article, "Goalkeepers on coins and postage stamps," is in violation of Neutral point of view with its statements that goalkeepers are one of the hardest positions and because of that they have been put on coins and stamps. I think the section should either be deleted or a citation is needed to avoid No original research. Pug888 (talk) 01:28, 23 March 2023 (UTC)