Talk:Goose step

Mejorawiki (talk) 01:55, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Closed Units
Clarify what a "closed unit" is versus any other kind of unit.

Ok quickly going to clarify a few things
This was orignally copied from the german wikipedia and translated by me, i did a few edits where i could not completely translate german into english and a few areas which i felt needed attention.

The original creator of the article is PISplus and the following german article can be found on the german wikipedia at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stechschritt

If you personally feel that this page needs cleaning or editing/deleting please do feel obliged to contact the wikpedia administraters. Andrew Chung

Added missing content (article neglected to mention most of the countries that maintain this tradition, or the fact that most of these are democracies), provided the explanation for why march steps became part of military drill in the first place, and removed references that suggested the goose-step is only performed in "solemn" ceremonies; it's a normal part of military drill in most of the countries that maintain it. I also removed repetitive content. langohio (talk) 20:48, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Chinese step is quite different.
I just want to point out that I think Communist Chinese step is quite different from the so-called "goose-step" in USSR and Nazi Germany. The foot must be horizontal, instead of vertical, which makes the step much more difficult. In Chinese, it's called Standard Step(正步). Anthony Gao 08:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Origins
Could the origins of the goose-step be clarified and vouched? I have a memory, which I cannot vouch, that it was originally developed in German mercenary units in Italy in the late eighteenth century. BTW like the George Orwell quotation- he must have had this in mind when, some years later, he wrote in '1984': "If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever".


 * Not sure of its origin being in Prussia in the early 1800's. Didnt it exist in the mid 1700's?  Marcus22 (talk) 12:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right, Marcus. The goose-step was developed in Prussia the mid-18th century as a method to keep lines of advancing troops in order. It served the same purpose as any other style of march step developed by armies at the same time. The article was inaccurate about the period when the custom was introduced, and never explained why it was developed. I've corrected this in my revision. langohio (talk) 20:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I know the lemma is Goose step, but I would like to clarify:

there are/were three traditions in german (dutch, swiss, austrian) military history to consider! 1st - the Stechschritt (piercing step) as a reference to unarmed single combat; the piercing leg/foot is to be raised straight up forward towards the imaginary groin/crutch/family jewels whilst the whole body weight rests on the Standbein (standing leg) --- this technique is to be seen mostly at ceremonial guard duty 2nd - the Paradeschritt (parade-marching step) as a reference to 18th century infantry drills for the employment on the battlefield --- mostly associated nowadays with the goose-step of the prussian tradition & 3rd - the Exerzierschritt (drilling step) as the most recently variants of the Paradeschritt - mainly used by the east-german NVA

The origins would have to be distinguished seperately.--85.179.86.40 (talk) 13:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

ridiculous
''"..feel that the goose-step is also intended to look ridiculous, as Orwell said in his 1940 essay The Lion and the Unicorn:

[Goose-Stepping] is simply an affirmation of naked power; contained in it, quite consciously and intentionally, is the vision of a boot crashing down on a face. Its ugliness is part of its essence, for what it is saying is "Yes, I am ugly, and you daren't laugh at me", like the bully who makes faces at his victim… Beyond a certain point, military display is only possible in countries where the common people dare not laugh at the army.''

To me, that doesn't sound at all like Orwell thinks it is rediculous, sounds more like he thinks it is rather frightening and controlling JayKeaton 00:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The mentioned paragraph is removed unless a citation can be provided, otherwise it just sounds retarded and unprofessional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.42.45.153 (talk) 10:02, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Connection with rugby?
When looking for videos featuring goose-stepping on Youtube I came across videos about rugby. The French article for this subject also mentions rugby, but my extremely rudimentary understanding of French doesn't allow me to interpret it further.

Apparently there's some connection to rugby, does anyone know more about this?

(Edit) it’s when the player stalls while running, he kicks one foot forward with his weight on his back foot so it appears he’s running forward when he’s really stopped to turn. This confuses his opponent as the opponent thinks he’s moving forward. It’s like a moonwalk but for rugby players lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.164.76.247 (talk) 11:57, 14 April 2019 (UTC) --Mickel 10:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Origins in Russia
I have been told (though annoyingly can't find the source) that goose stepping in Russia was introduced in the 1800's by German troops in the Imperial Russian Army. Apparently there were so many Germans in the Imperial Russian Ary that booklets for soldiers about codes of conduct, dress codes etc etc were produced in Russian and German. Is this true? I am sure I was told that this was how goose-stepping entered Russia (and then hence Soviet tradition, and soviet bloc tradition...). 144.32.126.11 (talk) 22:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The tradition was introduced during the reign of Peter the Great in the 18th century, not the 1800s. It was part of a general modernization of the Russian armed forces along Prussian lines. Yes, German officers did serve as military advisers at various times in Russian history, and many stayed on in Russia and became subjects. langohio (talk) 20:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Marching band??
I've been in marching bands and drum corps since the 70s and I NEVER heard of this description. Doing a true goose-step wold render playing a musical instrument impossible...too much bouncing around. The closest would be a portion of the 1987 Santa Clara Vanguard show, but while there was the swing of the leg to the horizontal, the foot was not slammed down, rather the leg was simply swung back to the ground gently...plus the leg motion was in a half time, rather than each step being in tempo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.107.111 (talk) 02:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply to Above unsigned
Please observe the Chilean Military goose stepping with instruments. They seem to have no problems whatsoever doing so. But they do seem to have modified the step, right leg step is performed normally, but the left leg lift includes a bended knee.

FYI, Jerry.mills (talk) 04:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably its just a peculiarity of marching with something in your hand. Obviously it'd be hard to march normally with a huge sousaphone :D 118.90.25.170 (talk) 09:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Why is it called "Goose-Stepping"?
Does somebody know why it is called "Goose-Step" in English? Obviously geese don't really walk like this. Actually rather some other kinds of drilling steps could be called Goose-stepping. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.43.226 (talk) 19:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC) I think it has more so to do with how geese look when they walk together. Their steps seem to synchronize and almost look like they’re marching together when walking. Rather than how an individual goose looks in caparison to this march. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3A44:CF70:7400:F49:BF34:C5B7 (talk) 11:53, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I think its to do with the analogy. With this step, the foot (actually the bottom of the second joint from the end of the big toe, i.e. the end of the foot's arch) must be made to "slap" the ground. This movement can be made without moving the torso, like a goose. I'm not speaking form any source, so you can't put that in the article, but I am quite sure the goose comes from the analogy of the movement of the foot. 118.90.25.170 (talk) 03:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

English Role
I have noticed that there is no mention of the English role in this type of parade march? This book from 1900 clearly depicts this type of march from the late 1700's

How England Saved Europe: The Story of the Great War (1793-1815) By William Henry Fitchett Published by Smith, Elder, & Co., 1900 --Garnetlake (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The British Army did use this type of step into the early nineteenth century.

"The ham must be stretched, but without stiffening the knee. The toe a little pointed, and kept near the ground, so that the shoe-soles may not be visible to a person in front. The head to be kept well up; straight the front, and the eyes not suffered be cast down. The foot, without being drawn back, must be placed flat on the ground." (RULES AND REGULATIONS OR THE MANUAL and PLATOON EXERCISES, FORMATIONS, FIELD-EXERCISE, AND MOVEMENTS OF HIS MAJESTY'S FORCES. FOR THE USE OF THE NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICERS OF THE BRITISH ARMY: London, Whitehall, 1816)

The British drill manuals followed the Prussian model. When marching in line in ordinary time, it helped to keeping the line straight, and was also useful on uneven ground. The decendent of this type of step can still be seen in the slow march, where the foot is kept parallel to the ground with the leg straight. 151.170.240.200 (talk) 17:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Gentlemen - I would suggest that reference to a book by James Cramer entitled "Military Marching: A Pictorial History", Turnbridge Wells (UK): Spellmount LTD, 1992, ISBN 0-946771-79-0, is a good start for any article about marching. This history touches upon the development of marching in ancient times, with attention to the Spartans, the Macedonians of Alexander the Great, and the Romans. The book then describes the post-medieval art of marching through the modern period, with attention to various national styles of marching. The author explores the "parade step" of the 18th century (which developed into the so-called "goose step," which is still in use today as a parade step in various national armies. The author is a former British Regimental Sergeant Major (RSM), so the book is somewhat British-centric, but gives good coverage of all national styles of marching from a British point of view.  Orvice (talk) 03:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)orvice

Requested move
It's not a proper noun, so the page should be named goose-step, (or, as that won't work, Goose-step).--ospalh (talk) 08:16, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Goose-step/ Turkish Army
The Turkish Army does perform the Goose-step, (kas yuruyusu in Turkish) but as far as I know only on parade while trooping the regimental colors and only while passing the honor tribune. As far as I know, the standard bearer, the two standard guards and the standard officer (in front of them) perform the goose step, followed by the honor guard (muhafiz birligi) which also perform the goose step in front of the tribune. The goose step is no part of the daily drill and only tought to soldiers participating in parades as the honor guard or standard bearers/guards. Unfortunately, I do not possess written regulations regarding that subject and just pass on information relying on my own experience while serving. --Linuxubuntu (talk) 23:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

West Point, Crimea
Goose-stepping drill at West Point, 1874 - NYT.

Goose-stepping drill by British troops in the Crimea 1855 - True Witness & Catholic Chronicle.

Hakluyt bean (talk) 21:28, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

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Goose-step → Goose step &mdash; Most dictionaries list the unhyphenated noun phrase goose step separately from the hyphenated verb (to) goose-step. I propose that the article title, being a noun phrase, should reflect this and the article consequently be moved to Goose step. (I have already made the appropriate consistency edits to the text in the body of the article.) -- Picapica (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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Stechschritt
Officially, it wasn't called "Stechschritt" but "Preußischer Paradeschritt" (Prussian parade step). "Stechschritt" is only colloquial since it looked like they pierce their feet into the air. Referred to the German version of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strulf (talk • contribs) 11:27, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Long-term effects
Hello, does anyone know if goose stepping has negative long term effects? Possibly someone who has done it for a long time? I march semi-frequently and am more than used to 'normal' marching (American 30" steps) - but even that leaves me sore after doing it for a very long time. Goose-stepping looks very rigid and painful, and when I try it out I have a very difficult time doing it (particularly to the heights of the Cuban soldiers pictured in the article) without causing myself physical harm. Since it is a knee-locked, quick march with a lot of force put on the leg, I assume that it can cause long term knee damage. Does anyone have any verification of this? I'm certain they are worse injuries to gain from serving in the Red Army or Wehrmacht, but I was just curious as to whether or not it caused damage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.110.166.95 (talk) 04:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Goosey goosey gander
92.15.248.116 (talk) 08:04, 29 September 2015 (UTC)It is commonly believed in England that the nursery rhyme 'Goosey goosey gander' is a satirical reference to Cromwell's troops during the Civil War. "Goosey, goosey, gander, Whither dost thou wander? Upstairs and downstairs And in my lady's chamber. There I met an old man Who wouldn't say his prayers; I took him by the left leg, And threw him down the stairs."

The old man who wouldn't say his prayers would be a Catholic priest hiding from the troops sent to root out enemies of the state.

I don't have any academic references for this, but here is one link which relates the legend http://allnurseryrhymes.com/goosey-goosey-gander/
 * "Goosey goosey gander" is a fusion of two distinct rhymes. Only the first four lines could have referred to Cromwell.  See the Oxford Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes.--82.19.234.142 (talk) 16:51, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Origen del goose steep
Si el origen del goose step es Prusia, por qué no hay fotos de prusianos haciendo el goose step?.

Si se sabe que en Chile se mantiene el estilo prusiano original, debería haber fotos de desfiles chilenos para hablar con ejemplos vivos de lo que es el verdadero goose step.

Goose step in african army.
I did some research that there are more countries in africa that perform goose step marching in their military, and they are Niger and Nigeria. Callsign Prof (talk) 11:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)