Talk:Gothenburg/Archive 2

The Göteborg Coat of Arms
Why is not the accurate Coat of Arms on display. The one on the page is maybe the old one but certainly not the accurate one. Are wikipedia prohibited by the copy right owners (e.g. the city)? I have noticed that in the swedish article the Coat of Arms is not published at all...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.226.207.37 (talk) 19:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC) :To see what I refer to as the accurate Göteborg Coat of Arms, see [].
 * It's not the same artistic interpretation, but it's definately the same coat of arms. They are standardized only by textual description of the motive, and hence, heraldically, the shown coat of arms is the same as the one which is used by the city as a logotype, even though they differ. The blazon is still the same. The version used by the city is not included in (at least swedish WP) due to copyright issues. 85.228.22.219 (talk) 22:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a problems with coats of arms on Wikipedia. The text description (blazon) is usable free from copyright, but the exact logotype is copyrighted. Therefore different renderings of the coats of arms are used on Wikipedia. This has been discussed several times on Swedish Wikipedia. Sometimes municipalities and government organizations have objected against the Wikipedia version of their coat of arm based logotype, but still they do not allow their logotype to be public domain. There is a difference between the logotype rules and the coat of arm rules, allowing a correct version of the coat of arm be outside the logotype copyright. --BIL (talk) 10:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Anti-Bush demonstrations
What is the relevance of the information provided within the one-line remark about the demonstrations in Gothenburg during G. W. Bush visit? Is it a fact that significantly characterizes the city? It rather seems to be just a biased comment. I would propose removing the statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.113.0.8 (talk) 14:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It is most definitely a major event in the recent history of the city. And I don't see how it is biased? —Krm500 (Communicate!) 01:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Göteborg changes name back to Gothenburg
--Mais oui! (talk) 07:25, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "Göteborg is officially changing its name to Gothenburg, the Gothenburg city council has decided. The city councillors have agreed that the city will be referred to as the City of Gothenburg in all international communications"


 * Good so far. Strictly the formal legal name of course is "Göteborgs kommun", regardless of language, when it comes to the local governmet entity. But the locality is one of few in Sweden with a specific name in English. I think that is something the inhabitants should be proud of. After all it means that Gothenburg is well known internationally. Nässjö, Hässleholm or Örebro have no English names, even if they also use "peculiar" letters like "Ä" and "Ö". Therefore I think the use of the form "City of Gothenburg" is much better than "City of Göteborg". I think it is the same with with the university. --Muniswede (talk) 12:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Lödöse
I noticed on the Lödöse page (and similarly on the higher order Lilla Edet Municipality page) that, these pages state Gothenburg moved to it's current site from Lödöse in 1473 explaining that "trapped as it was between Norway and Denmark, Lödöse was moved to the site of present day Gothenburg (Göteborg) to escape taxes levied on merchants". This would seem to be an important part of Gothenburgs history should it be correct. I have not been able to find other references which I consider trustworthy. I feel it should be included, but it would need to be verified, presumably by someone with local knowledge. L-Bit (talk) 00:06, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Simon's_1888_Gothenburg_map.jpg
Think this is fairly clearly deserving to be in this article, but am having trouble positioning it. Any ideas? Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:27, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Climate
Gothenburg's climate is oceanic, not humid continental. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.3.156 (talk) 23:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the Citation Needed from the discussion of maximum/minimum daylight hours. This isn't something that needs to be referenced - it's just a property of Gothenburg's latitude and can be easily verified using any number of online calculators. Freeinfo (talk) 01:09, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism regarding the Sister cities list
Dear all, in the past months I have corrected the reference to a sister city (Badalona, Spain) around half a dozen times. Someone keeps changing it to Badalona, Catalonia.

Badalona is located in Catalonia, an autonomous community inside Spain. As for all other sister cities, it is my understanding we should give the Country entity as a reference for the city. Thus, we should let it as Badalona, Spain, and not Badalona, Catalonia. This seems related to Catalonian independentism feelings. Funnily enough, the English page for the city of Badalona identifies it as in Spain.

Example: Revision as of 17:17, 6 June 2013 (edit) (undo) 77.12.62.12 (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.109.145.182 (talk) 19:13, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Could we control and ban the IP giving the false information?

Thanks,

Götheborg ship
There is no mention of the Götheborg (ship) in this article. 31.209.3.252 (talk) 18:02, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Old talk
There has been a tendency in the last decade or so to market the city under it's Swedish name "Göteborg" rather than the established English name "Gothenburg". However this trend is not universal. One example is that sporting and other international events many times are held in "Gothenburg" rather than in "Göteborg". It is also a question of which form is used in media coverage, the established form, the Swedish national form, or a third, inbetween rationalisation, form "Goteborg". I think there is need for some additional input before settling the location of the article. -- Mic 10:55, Oct 6, 2003 (UTC)


 * Since the name was officialy changed to Göteborg in 1995 I see no point to argue about this. Of course Wikipedia should use the official name and not the old name even if a lot of people uses it. Oct 23, 2003 --Johan


 * I find it odd that the article states that Göteborg/Gothenburg is called "Gothenburg" in German. I am a Gothenburg native but I have a German mother and as a half German I can tell I have NEVER heard a German call my city "Gothenburg". Germans always say "Göteborg". And they did so already in the 70's. Also, the German language has no "th" sound and does have the "ö" which would make it strange for the Germans to call our city Gothenburg rather than Göteborg.
 * Personally I think the page should be under the name "Göteborg" but I don't think it matters very much since we have redirects.
 * .../David Göthberg 24 Sep 2004
 * (Yea, it is my real name. It has the same root as the city name!)


 * As I'm the one who added this part, I guess I have to defend it. :-) It is based on a somewhat longer historical perspective than one going back to the 1970s. One way to find out what a place was called in various languages is to look at published works, as they are easy to date. I'll give you a few examples from Libris, the Swedish national library catalogue.


 * One from the 17th century is this work, printed in Gothenburg in 1680:
 * Mart. Frid. Hermann, Guldene Spann-Rose von 6 Blättern, welche Seiner Königl. Mayestätt ... K: Carl dem XI. zu einen christlichen Willkommen, alsz dieselbe nach ... vollendeter Vermählung sich hierher nach Gothenburg begaben, den 13. Maij 1680, und des andern : Tages drauf unser Teutsches Gottes Haus persönlich besuchten ... [Göteborg 1680].


 * 18th century:
 * Knut Reinhold Bildt, Auf des durchleuchtigsten Fürsten und Herrn, Herrn Adolph Friedrichs, Erb-Fürsten zu Schweden, Erben zu Norrwegen, &c. &c. erfreuliche Ankunft in Uddewalla 1749. Aller-unterthänigst aufgesetzt von Knut Bildt. Gothenburg, gedruckt bey : Johan Georg Lange, Jun. königl. privil. Buchdrucker.


 * 19th century:
 * Kristian Wilhelm Malm, Beschreibung zur Charte über den Canalweg von Stockholm nach Gothenburg aus dem Schwedischen ins Deutsche übertragen von Lpn. Stockholm 1846.


 * 20th century samples:
 * Carl Georg Heise, "Kunst in Gothenburg", Der Kunstwanderer, 2 Nov. 1923, Berlin. 4:o.
 * Sven Christian Johansson, "Ein Fall von Osteogenesis imperfecta mit verbreiteten Gefässverkalkungen", Von der chirurgischen Abteilung des Kinderkrankenhauses in Gothenburg, Ur: Acta radiologica. 1921. (It's clearly an off-print.)
 * Hermann Kiesow, Zeittafel über die Geschichte der deutschen Christinengemeinde zu Gothenburg 1623-1973, published by the German congregation in Gothenburg in 1973.


 * On the other hand, a biographical publication on this Kiesow from 1982 is called:
 * Aus Glauben und Lebenserfahrung : Hermann Kiesow 1913-1982, deutscher Pfarrer in Göteborg 1932-74 but also has the "variant title" (according to Libris; it looks more like the title of a publication series or of the publisher) Deutsche Christinengemeinde zu Gothenburg.


 * Dutch (just in case somebody wants to question that as well):
 * D. Kouwenaar, "Het 300-jarig Bestaan von Gothenburg", Op de Hoogte 1923, s.154-158.


 * It may obviously be debated exactly when Gothenburg stopped being used in German (if it has indeed gone entirely out of use) and for how long Göteborg has been used, but that it is in some sense the traditional name, used by German-speakers in and outside the city for centuries, can hardly be disputed.//u◦p◦p◦l◦a◦n◦d 08:12, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Ah well. I once saw some plans (maps) that was supposed to be the original plans for the city from the 1620's. And those plans clearly said "Gothiaburg". That is, they neither said Gothenburg nor Göteborg. And I have seen many other forms of the name in old documents and on old maps from the 17:th and 18:th centuries. So personally I think we should state the current use of the city name in different languages and not primarily the historical use. And as Mic pointed out, today whe even use the (slightly uglu) form Goteborg in English fairly often.
 * .../David Göthberg 15:28, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * The question is really if you can find any evidence that "Gothiaburg" was ever used after 1623 or if you can point to any other form that is as obviously well documented in German over more than 300 years as "Gothenburg" is. But go ahead and make your point clear in the article; just don't remove correct information on the historical names of the city. //u◦p◦p◦l◦a◦n◦d 16:12, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The article speaks of a "Dutch invasion of Gothenburg" but I've never heard of it...? "The site of the first church built in Gothenburg, subsequently destroyed by Dutch invaders, is marked by a stone near the north end of the Älvsborg Bridge in Färjenäs park. The church was built in 1603 and destroyed in 1611. "

I'm a Gothenburg native myself, but isn't it a bit too much to call Gothenburg the "hip-hop capital of sweden"?

I was down town during the EU summit in June 2001 and saw how the police time after time surrounded peaceful anti EU, anti Bush and pro democracy demonstrators, attacked them with batons and police dogs and arrested some of them. Many of those "temporarily arrested" was never told why they were arrested and was put in temporary holding cells for up to 26 hours without access to food and without a bed to sleep in. Finally (after days) the demonstrators retaliated. Then when the riots started the police even fired several live rounds at the demonstrators almost killing one guy. So a few smashed shop windows are not much compared to the huge number of demonstrators wounded by the police (even before the riots). However, for some reason Swedish press did not show the pictures of the wounded demonstrators. I was there myself and saw lots of demonstrators with nasty dog bites and bleeding head wounds etc. And I saw the cameras filming it. But hardly anything of it was shown on TV. After the summit many demonstrators and even talkers from political meetings prior to the summit was arrested. They were then detained for months and deprived of any contact with the surrounding world (like the worst serial killers or so) and then sentenced to several years in prison. (And many of them never rioted, they got sentenced anyway.) It seems nowadays you risk harsher treatment and longer jail time if you talk against the EU on political meetings than if you kill a person in Sweden. I think that if the EU summit should even be mentioned in this article about Göteborg a more nuanced story needs to be told. But personally I think that shameful story of non-democratic oppression from the current government should be left out. Especially since it would result in endless editing wars since most Swedes wasn't there to see with their own eyes and only know the official media version of the events. .../David Göthberg 24 Sep 2004

I'm surprised that the article still uses the name Gothenburg, it's completely out of use here in Canada, no one that has ever gone to Sweden uses to name Gothenburg to describe the city, moreover all Swedes that come here use to name Goteborg to describe the city. Gothenburg fell into disuse the same way that Lyons or Marseilles did.

Can someone please fix or add a new audio link? Zarxos 01:47, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

I'm a photopgrapher working in Göteborg, is there any use for more pictures of Göteborg? Which parts in that case? /m


 * That would be great. We have hardly any pictures from Gothenburg, and could probably use several dozen, not only for this page, but for the Gothenburg Opera, the Göteborg University, Chalmers University of Technology and many articles not yet written on Gothenburg buildings, institutions, notable architects working in the city, or people to whom monuments of som kind exist. Kungsportsavenyn, The Art Museum, Röhsska konstslöjdmuseet, the main university building, the churches, Stora Teatern, Trädgårdsföreningen, Ostindiska huset, and probably many other places or buildings that I can't think of at the moment. Please register and join the Swedish Wikipedians' notice board! u◦p◦p◦l◦a◦n◦d 8 July 2005 17:24 (UTC)
 * ok, it seems that I have a summer project ;) /m

Recent additions
I created at gallery of Sites of interests in Gothenburg, hope other users agree this is sites worth seeing. I´ve also written a piece on the Culture of Gothenburg (which somebody added some info on death metal-bands) and on the cuisine of Gothenburg, a subject in its own right, I think. I´ve also expanded most of the other subjects: history, geography, transportation etcetera. User:Erik031

I have added the naming of Gothenburg, Nebraska after Gothenburg, Sweden to the history section. My dad's family is from Gothenburg, Nebraska and are continually talking about the link, so I thought I would add it to this article. user:bigk83

Hi everyone, I believe that the images in our article are of quite poor quality. For example, the Ullevi stadium (the image of which I have recently changed) did'nt show much of the architecture, but only the playing ground (which looks like any other playing ground in the world). Or consider the picture of "Hangelshogskolen", which together with the rainy sky gives a rather boring impression. Another exapmle is the picture of the bench in slottsskogen (site of interest), which is of course a nice idea, but taken into account that the space and number of possible images is limited, it adds no substantial information to the article. Benches are found worlwide and are nothing typical for Gothenburg. Wouldn't it be nice to delete some of the existing pictures and introduce some others that have more informational value? This is of course just a suggestion. Hope to hear from you, Daniel

I have uploaded an image of Gothenburg's old university, since I believe that this gives a better impression of the architecture in Vasastan than the picture of the "Hangelshogskolen", which I have deleted. I hope you agree with me. Daniel

Removed information
Somebody has copied all the information from the individual articles on Liseberg, the Botanical Garden etcetera (which I am a major contributor on I can add) and put them in the head article on Gothenburg. I see no reason to do this - all you get is a lengthy article on the sites of interest which nobody will read. All the information on the different sites of interest can be read when you just click on link of the article; you get a much clearer view of the subjects this way. User:Erik031

I am sorry. I thought it may be nice to have a somewhat longer article on the main sights, which I find is underrepresented. But I can see your point. However, don't you think we should add some more information? Daniel

Sure, I see you added some info on Avenyn, The Avenue, which is OK i think. But the Sites of Interest-section don't need to be too long a piece, I think, and when you look at other cities - say Stockholm - they only have pictures under this heading. There also is separate tourist-information on Gothenburg on Wiki Travel, there is a link to this article on the bottom of the page. But if you wish to contribute on the the other subjects of the Gothenburg-article you're welcome of course! And by the way, I also think the Going Out-information which someone added on the Gothenburg-article belongs better on the Wiki Travel-page and not here in the encyclopedia, but the info is correct, I guess, so I haven't removed it. Cheers! User:Erik031

Metro system
I found that it's difficault to build tunnels in Central Gothenburg, but I will try to build a metro system that (for now, later I could create more lines) that has 4 lines: A (blue), B (Red), C (Green) and D (Yellow). Only one line, B serves the northern bank of the river. That is because it connects Gothenburg City Airport via the city centre to Gothenburg-Landvetter Airport. Line C does not go under the city for this reason: It connects Partille with Askim, and I have decided to not go throw the centre. This could use S/300 train, the version currently in use for Rome in Italy.

Line A stations

 * Toltorpsdalen
 * Bruns backe
 * Fridkullagatan

Archived
Several old threads that lacked date stamp has been sitting on this talk page for years. The Bot can not archive unsigned threads, so I've moved these old threads to archive manually. (This info added in case you were looking for them.) w.carter -Talk  10:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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Timeline of Gothenburg
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 13:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

File:Simon's 1888 Gothenburg map.jpg to appear as POTD soon
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Aquavit
What, no mention of O.P. Anderson aquavit? Sca (talk) 01:33, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Misleading article
The following quote is absolute bullshit: "Gothenburg has an ethnic Swedish population around 78%.[160] Like most Swedish metropolitan areas, the city has a sizeable immigrant population.[161] According to Statistics Sweden in 2014, 174,540 immigrants resided in Gothenburg,[162] which was about 18% of the population.[163]"

There is no stats on ethnicity in Sweden. At least not official stats. --85.230.217.191 (talk) 12:20, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello 85.230.217.191, thank you for pointing out a remaining flaw in the description of the population. The term "ethnic" was inappropriate, it has now been removed. What the statistics from Statistics Sweden (Statistiska Centralbyrån) do have are very detailed records of what part of the population have been born in Sweden and how many are immigrants. See tables at this link. w.carter -Talk  12:39, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

The section on "Demography" is dismal and xenophobe! I mean, I go there just to know how many people live in Gothenburg and the only thing that I find is the proportion of foreign born! Is that the new definition of demography?? I'm changing the section's title. Alcides (talk) 19:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC) alcides

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Random current events in a 'History' section?
Is this paragraph at the end of the 'History' section really relevant here?

"On the evening of 13 Augusti 2018 in Sweden, 89 vehicles were set on fire in several districts in Gothenburg and Trollhättan, in what police assumed was a coordinated attack by assailants described as "youth". In total, 11 different locations were targeted."

This seems more like an arbitrarily selected current event than a historical event that has shaped the city in some way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djewesbury (talk • contribs) 18:23, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Göteborg or Gothenburg
If "Göteborg" is Swedish, what language is "Gothenburg"? --Ghettobuoy (talk) 11:06, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * English via German I believe.--Ermenrich (talk) 03:54, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Precisely. In the same way that, for example, Copenhagen is the English-language name (via German Kopenhagen) for the Danish København. -- Picapica (talk) 07:49, 1 July 2019 (UTC)