Talk:Gothic architecture in modern Poland

Just a gallery
This article is lacking neutrality and is more or less a gallery, which belongs into commons.--Kresspahl 22:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Article makes no sense
The article implicates that there is a particular architectural style called "Polish Gothic". OK, maybe that's true, I don't know, but I know that many of the shown buildings aren't polish achievements. For example, the city hall of Wroclaw was largely built when the city wasn't part of the polish culture area anymore and almost all contributors, like Briccius Gauske (Goerlitz), came from Germany (the town was part of the Holy Roman Empire). And even more important: the town hall of Wroclaw is more or less, like the town hall in Torun, the fortress of Malbork or several buildings in Gdansk, just a typical example of Brick Gothic (remember that Wroclaw was also a part of the Hanseatic League). And even more ironic: the fortress of Malbork is maybe the most unpolish building we know. :D

And I'm also a bit puzzled about what exactly makes the town hall of Gdansk a example for polish gothic? The town was largely german, the cultural influence came from the Hanseatic League and the artists who created the works of art were mostly dutch (like Block, Vries) and german (Herle, Bart).

Right now this page is almost useless. User:84.181.112.22 17:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You should know that all Polish cities, not only Wroclaw or Gdansk, but also Krakow were found by German(Dutch, Flemish, Swiss...) immigrants. This is historic fact and the fact that some of them belonged in 19th century to German Empire ("wasn't part of polish culture area") doesn't matter. Poland was place were cities were German and Jewish. What is important if the Gothic style in Poland has different character then elsewhere. Cautious (talk) 21:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * To clarify, these towns weren't "founded" (as in built, established, what have you) by German, Flemish or Walloon immigrants, but given a set of rights (Magdeburg Law, etc) that gave them certain freedoms which resulted in a specific path of urban development that converged with the rest of Europe. Before that, however, these "towns" did exist, just not with the rights that were later bestowed in the 13th-14th centuries that often coincided with the result of migrations from further West.


 * Wrong. First, the builder does not necessarily imply style. Second, Dutch and German immigrants came after much of these were built, and it doesn't exclude their role in influencing architecture in Poland. This is an article which is incomplete, but denotes a Gothic style particularly prevalent in Poland. (And a note: by similarity what is your criteria? Brick? That's pretty shallow. I think you need to take a wee bit of a closer look). I think people with insecurities like you, and there is no shortage on Wikipedia (84.181.112.22 is a German IP address), should lay off Wikipedia when you have no idea what you're talking about. --24.218.58.221 23:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I know this is an old thread, but just for clarity in case any future issues like this come up, establishing a cultural criteria of a monument based on the background of the builder, especially in the Middle Ages, is a really difficult task. Gothic spread as a result of French influence, so should every Gothic architecture page just be merged into French Gothic? Going further, the referenced Briccius Gauske was very likely of Sorbian origin - should we treat all his work in Görlitz, Kutna Hora and Wroclaw as "Sorbian achievements"? Aside from that point, regardless of the origin of the builders, Gothic became an international style but with very real variations, some minute, some major, that make it worthy to have a page for each distinguishable style, whether it be French, Italian, Polish, German, English etc. and I believe it's worthy, if only for the sake of convenience and organization, to create a separate page for each


 * Personal attacks are not reliable sources for Wikipedia articles. This article is at best a list of Brick Gothic buildings in Poland. It needs to be merged to Brick Gothic.-- Matthead discuß!    O       07:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous sniping
Would you stupid people who refuse to identify yourselves by usernames, and use different computers all the time just go away! Or get yourself names and make worthwhile contributions. Amandajm 02:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Merging this article
No I don't believe that this article ought to be merged, regardless of whether Poland was unified at the time.

I may be mistaken of course, because this is not my particular area, but I feel that as with other geographic regions, (as against political regions) the Gothic architecture of Poland may have characteristics that are different to those of much of Germany. No doubt you will put me right if I am wrong. Because the region is geoggraphically quite large I bbelieve this is worth an individual article.

However, you who have started the article had better get on with your research, because I am sitting here multi-thousands of miles away and all my books are in English. I can help you by knocking your English language into good shape if necessary, but I can't write the article.

Amandajm 02:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that they should not be merged. There is no reason why this article should be subsumed entirely within Brick Gothic, especially as some of the buildings, e.g. in Krakow, are not brick-built. As I point out below, however, it should be reduced (namely the gallery should either be removed or made much smaller, and better explanations added). athinaios (talk) 19:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Renaming the article
As anonymous above already wrote, the current status of this article is somewhat misleading. First of all, right now this article is merely a gallery. A proper article about gothic architecture in Poland should explain it's distinctive features (without them this article wouldn't be needed). Doing this would lead to the conclusion that there is no common polish gothic but a collection of several styles (compare Gdansk, Wroclaw and Tarnow). Since several of these cultural landscapes wheren't part of Poland at that time the term "Polish Gothic" is somewhat misleading. Renaming the article into "Gothic in Poland" is a elegant way to solve this problem. Karasek (talk) 17:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Current situation
After my recent additions (expansion of Brick Gothic, creation of List of important Brick Gothic buildings, creation of Brick Romanesque), this article is increasingly redundant. Articles should not be mere galleries in any case, but this one is now mostly superseded by List of important Brick Gothic buildings. I suggest replacing it with a short text explaining the meaning of the term, linking to Brick Gothic, and perhaps pointing out some specific examples of Polish Gothic (and not just Brick Gothic!) and describing what makes them characteristically Polish. A link to Fieldstone churches may also be useful. athinaios (talk) 18:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I was so bold as to implement the changes I suggested, noting how little attention this page has seen in 2 years. If anyone want the gallery back or any other form of change, let's discuss it. athinaios (talk) 20:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

No section about churches
Very strange.Xx234 (talk) 11:36, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Polish Gothic?

 * Maybe rather "Gothic architecture in contemporary Poland"?
 * German buildings were sometimes reconstructed after the WWII as Gothic to manifest their alleged Polish past.
 * Gothic Revival architecture was influenced by the Gothic architecture.Xx234 (talk) 11:42, 9 January 2015 (UTC)