Talk:Government of Ireland

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 * The term used in the first paragraph and throughout the text should match the title of the article. I created the article under "Government" because of the ambiguity of "Ireland" and because "Government" is the term the constitution uses. Of course tho, I see there might be another case for moving it to "Government of Ireland". Unless there is agreement for a move it should stay "Government" in the text.

Scratch the above. Had a better idea.

-Iota | talk 02:03, 16 Mar (UTC).

An Tánaiste/Minister for Health & Children
In the table should we continue to use a separate field for each of these titles, as they are currently headed by Mary Harney, one person; it would make sense to use one field with both titles presented on a different line. De facto, the Tánaiste holds a place at the cabinet by virtue of being Minister for Health & Childern rather than being Tánaiste; but the law is more complex than this. Any comments? Djegan 16:25, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Public/State-Sponsored Bodies
Whilst the recent inclusion of information on these two topics must be welcomed in some cases their is often not a clear case of what is civil, public or state-sponsored in Ireland. Comments welcome. Djegan
 * Civil servants are people who work directly for the government departments plus bodies created from departments for example Com Reg is link to Dept. of Communications. Public Service is all local authorities, Health Services Executive, and VEC. You are public servant if you work for semi-state body. The CAO is not a state body. Hope this helps. ant_ie 06:38, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Suggested Move
To Cabinet of Ireland, as the Government also includes the Oireachtas, President, and Taoiseach.-- RM ( Be my friend ) 19:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Support:

Oppose:

Chief Whip
Any source or authority for chief whip being allowed to attend cabinet meetings? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.131.205 (talk) 23:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Government of the Republic of Ireland vs Politics of the Republic of Ireland
In a parlimentary system the government is defined as 'the government is composed of the prime minister and the cabinet'. This page is trying to be both the Politics of the Republic of Ireland and the Government of the Republic of Ireland.

What really baffles me is that someone decided to dupplicate the Civil service of the Republic of Ireland page here too.

This problem of separating the politics pages and the government pages runs through out the pages of countries with the west minister system.

Government of Bangladesh

Politics of Bangladesh

Government of Canada

Politics of Canada

Government of India

Politics of India

Government of New Zealand

Politics of New Zealand

Government of Pakistan

Politics of Pakistan

I agree with the proposal that the Government of the Republic of Ireland page should be moved to the Cabinet of the Republic of Ireland page. It should then be gutted with all irrelevant information placed on their rightful pages. Iirimaa (talk) 02:22, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The article seems fine to me, and is at the correct title Government of Ireland (not Government of the Republic of Ireland which is factually incorrect). What is your problem with it? Snappy (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the naming. I got confused. I thought the naming convention was 'Politics of the Republic of Ireland'. I've brushed up on WP:IRE-IRL. Thanks for sorting out the 20th Government of Ireland page and all the others.

My problem with this page is that its cobbled together so badly that it contradicts itself. It starts well with

'The Government of Ireland (Irish: Rialtas na hÉireann) is the cabinet that exercises executive authority in Ireland.'

This is factual and accurate. The article then goes off on tangents.

1 Membership perfect

1.1 Members of the Government perfect

1.2 Non-members attending cabinet perfect

1.3 The President's role ''This section just says that the president has no power over the government. A section on the Supreme Court would have more relevance than a section on the President''

2 Term of office perfect

3 Authority and powers perfect

4 History perfect

5 Public sector

5.1 Civil service

5.2 Public service ''These two sections are my real problem with this article. They are of absolutley no relevance to this article or to the Politics of the Republic of Ireland article''

6 Current Government of Ireland perfect

As I said before though there is no convention in Wikipedia on how to treat the executive power of parliamentary democracies. To change this article I'd have to create consensus on the other articles. Government of Bangladesh, Politics of Bangladesh, Government of Canada, Politics of Canada, Government of India, Politics of India, Government of New Zealand, Politics of New Zealand, Government of Pakistan, Politics of Pakistan

I'm concentrating on my 'Government of Ireland' series for now. I'm not going to touch this article without consensus and I don't have the time to build it. Thanks again for help with the naming. Iirimaa (talk) 03:45, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The Public service section could be removed, the Civil service is not directly related but they do the work of the Government so this could be moved to the See also section. I see no harm in mentioning the President's role (or lack thereof) in government. The President is part of the Oireachtas and signs all bills into law so there is no harm in clarifying it here for readers unfamiliar with the Irish system. I have done a slight edit of the section. Snappy (talk) 19:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

size
Interesting that the govt is so small. The UK has 118 ministers, 21 in the cabinet.

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