Talk:Grūtas Park

Only one statue of Stalin?
Wojsyl, obviously you have more personal experience with Grutas Park than I, but I wonder if it's really true that there is just one statue of Stalin in the whole park. A number of written accounts describe many statues, for example says there is "every possible respectable variation of Stalin sculpture." Please explain the discrepancy if you can. Thanks.--Pharos 8 July 2005 19:11 (UTC)

Looking at the photos from my recent trip, I don't see a second statue, although I didn't get them all. There was certainly at least one bust in addition to the statue. I would upload it if I weren't in the picture too. --ExtraBold 18:27, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If you have a few more good pictures, whether they're of Stalin or not, this article could certainly use them. Of course, it's always best to put images on the Commons.  Thanks.--Pharos 23:12, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * OK done that. I have 2 or 3 more good pictures, but without notes of exactly who they are of or what they represent.--ExtraBold 16:52, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's a great shot actually. If you have a couple of other good pics, just upload them to the Commons and I'm sure someone will be able to identify them.--Pharos 05:55, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 2 more at --ExtraBold 11:38, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Please mind a NPOV
Or at least label "anti-Lithuanian" activity as "anti-Lithuanian-nationalist" activity if you're going to accuse Lenin of it (come to think of it, Lenin supported Lithuanian nationhood, as long as it was communist). Moonshiner 01:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, Soviet Russia did not support an idea of independent Lithuanian nation (communist or not) at the time of Lenin either, and fought against it (see Litbel).

I must post an apology for assuming the article was written in a non-NPOV way. Upon reading Burann's comments (see below) and a second reading, I realized that in fact what I interpreted as a non-neutral point of view was just the description of the "re-envisioning" of the park, but expressed in such a way as to make it unclear whether this is the fact or the editor's opinion. Having stated this, I must also say that I disagree with whoever it was that decided to "re-envision" the park this way. Moonshiner 01:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

What is needed
Someone who knows the Lithuanian names of the people mentioned, or the real surnames and the real placenames (it seems they all lacks diacritics) should correct the article. The article is as well written in poor English, but my own English is poor so I will not try to improve it much. I improved the organisation somewhat however. BTW, some information seems to be doubtful, but I am not changing it as although I visited the park it was 2 years ago, maybe some things changed there since then - maybe someone who has been there recently could read it and correct if some things are wrong. Burann 12:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Occupation
All of the statues, with the exception of Karl Marx, are of men and women who personally participated in the occupation of Lithuania. Wasn't Lithuania occupied during WWII when part of these were dead ? E.g. Lenin and Dzerzhinsky died in 1920s. Or does this refer to other events ? Xil ... sist!  20:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

NPOV
This article is absolutely anti-soviet. Unfortunately, belief that anti-sovetism is true NPOV is widely spreaded in English Wiki. There is lots of non-tolerant, false and/or non-NPOVy in context phrases and statements: QZip (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC).
 * Often use of term "occupation". Lithuania wasn't occupied, it lost independence and became part of USSR, so right term is "annexation".
 * Names of "spheres" are gave as plain text without quotes. Hope, NPOVless of this names is obvious for everybody.
 * "All of the statues, with the exception of Karl Marx, are of men and women who influenced the occupation of Lithuania." — what about Dzerzhinsky, Uborevich and partisans?
 * "Various participants of occupation and organizers of mass terror and genocide." — omg, what "genocide" are u talking about? Sources, please.
 * "Organizers and heads of various death squadrons and anti-nationalistic organizations." — "death squadrons"? Just like previous one.
 * "Mocking the idealization of Soviet partisans" — terrible, dire humiliation of anti-nazi fighters. Disgusting.


 * How do you 'lose' independance? That's like saying, "he lost his name".  Lithuania was occupied by the Soviets and, thus, it was de-facto annexed into the Soviet Union.  Pointe finale.

--Atikokan (talk) 00:30, 8 August 2010 (UTC)