Talk:Grace Mary Crowfoot

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Grace Crowfoot was a pioneering twentieth century female archaeologist. She was responsible for a number of significant works on Ancient Egyptian and Anglo- Saxon textiles and trained a whole generation of future archaeologists in the importance of textiles. She worked at Sutton Hoo and on the textiles from the tomb of Tutankamum. She was the mother of four children including Nobel Laureate for chemisty Dorothy Hodgkin. Her obituary was written by Kathleen Kenyon. I have added more detail and will continue to do so.

--Clairevtwalsh (talk) 14:18, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This article relates to a 19th century archaeologist and as such their notably relates to the significance of their impact on their sub-field. This does meet the criteria for WP:ACADEMIC. Whilst the article remains a little sparse it is a justifiable stub for expansion --IcyEd (talk) 14:39, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Please rename this person's entry
I am very pleased to see an entry for our remarkable grandmother on Wikipedia and thank Claire for getting it this far. I do have one request about the best way of naming of the entry.

Grace may have have been my grandmother's first given name, but it was NEVER used as such under any circumstances. (It was a perverse family tradition: only with the naming of my mother was a normal order established—she was baptised Elisabeth Grace Crowfoot.)

For publication purposes Molly was always Mrs "G.M. Crowfoot"; unlike her daughters she never published under her maiden name. To family, close colleagues and friends she was always "Molly", an informal version of her second name Mary. (For a time when they were young her sister Dorothy was known as "Dolly".)

I suggest, therefore, that the entry be renamed either G.M. or Grace Mary Crowfoot.

John Crowfoot (talk) 05:21, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

I've moved the page to "Grace Mary Crowfoot" John Crowfoot (talk) 08:45, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Significant omissions
The most notable omission from the first draft of this entry was the lack of any mention of Molly's discovery of FGM in the Sudan (something that other Europeans often came to the country for several years and left having no inkling of, she commented drily) and her attempt to tackle this awful practise in a way that would not alienate those to whom it was part of their culture and tradition.

This was mentioned in her daughter Elisabeth's biographical note for the "Women in Old World Archaeology" website, but has only recently been more fully described.

The publications list needs some revision. It can only be a selection because Molly published over 60 works of greatly varying length during her long life.

John Crowfoot (talk) 07:06, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Molly Crowfoot or Molly, not plain "Crowfoot"
We've been here before, but it's worth making the point again. Perhaps any subsequent discussion may lead to more thoughtful editing and consideration of a historically sensitive way to deal with the change made in earlier generations in an individual's surname on marriage, if they happened to be female.

The acme of absurdity in the version I have just corrected is to refer to "Crowfoot" marrying John Crowfoot. Grace Mary Crowfoot was born G.M. Hood. To her family, friends and colleagues, moreover, she was always known as Molly.

In subsequent sections of this entry, which I formerly spent many hours expanding, correcting and reformulating, I have referred to the subject as Molly Crowfoot or, even, as plain Molly. No diminution of this tall dignified woman is intended (she was my much admired maternal grandmother) and the alternative reminds me of the way schoolboys are addressed in public (private, fee-paying) schools in England -- a ghoulish and wholly inappropriate register.

John Crowfoot (talk) 16:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

"Palestine ethnographers" category needed
I have opened a discussion here. Arminden (talk) 20:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)