Talk:Grand duke

Examples
This article does need revision but the way I originally refered to Luxemburg and Finland is important because they are not the only such examples Liechenstien? and the Grand Duchy of Warsaw during Nepoleonic times comes to mind. Explicitly stating "male sovereign" is not needed when because it is redundant and widely understood that all titles of nobility have a feminine form. In fact, the laws of primogenture may specifically limit Luxembourg to male monarchs as with most other germanic countries.


 * As far as I (editor of previous content) know, Liechtenstein is not a Grand Duchy, but a Principality, so we have a Prince there (a Fürst in German). If there are other examples (important ones), please, go ahead and mention them. The "male" was in your original text as well, IIRC. In Luxembourg, by the way, Charlotte was the Grand Duchess from 1919 to 1964, so it is not restricted to men (though it probably used to be). Jeronimo 05:42 Jul 26, 2002 (PDT)

Dukes and granddukes
What is the connection between a Duke and a Grand duke? - Olivier

Cleanup
The page as it stands is fairly informative, but pretty messy. If someone could try to clean it up and make, it you know, flow properly, that'd be great. I'm not sure how to go about it. john 07:32 24 May 2003 (UTC)

I'm somewhat disturbed by the confusion between Grand duke - Grand Duke, Grand duchy - Grand Duchy, Grand duchess - Grand Duchess. The information could most certainly be structured, and duplications removed. -- Ruhrjung 08:13 24 May 2003 (UTC)


 * Merged duplicates (Grand duke = Grand Duke; Grand duchess = Grand Duchess; Grand duchy = Grand Duchy. They still need a bit of rewriting though. -- Someone else


 * Now I've rearranged this article almost completely. I also dislike the confusion about capitalization, but I strongly feel that the articles should be at Grand Duke etc., since titles are capitalized (cf. Crown Prince, Prime Minister, or Governor General). I will move this article and the others accordingly, if nobody objects. -- Jao 01:12, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * On second thought, this of course does not apply to grand duchy, which should then be written like that in all articles, and moved to Grand duchy. But still: Grand Duke, Grand Duchess. -- Jao 01:16, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Also see: Fürst, Ranks of nobility and peerage and Titles of nobility. -- Ruhrjung 09:17 24 May 2003 (UTC)

Veliky Kniaz
There are several different spellings of this style throughout the article. I guess some consistency would be desirable. I don't dare make a suggestion though, as a brief look into Talk:Transliteration of Russian into English convinced me to better not get involved in this kind of trench warfare. --BjKa 13:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Apparent error
The article says:


 * From 1809 to 1917 the Emperor of Russia was also the Grand Duke of Finland, a title often rendered imprecisely as Grand Duke of Finland.

Presumably there is supposed to be some difference between the two Finnish titles are written here because at present the sentence makes no sense. Carina22 21:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Female version
There is no femenine of Duke or Grand Duke. A woman who held such a possition would also be a Duke or Grand Duke (QEII is Duke of Normand). technically a woman can only be a soveriegn duke.(Morcus (talk) 16:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC))


 * Not so. The sisters Marie-Adélaïde and Charlotte of Luxembourg are always referred to as "Grand Duchesses" in English, true to their original French titles. For Duchess, I'll confine my counterexamples to the UK: The Duchess of Norfolk, The 3rd Duchess of Hamilton, The 2nd Duchess of Marlborough and Princess Alexandra, Duchess of Fife. Yes, the Queen is called a Duke, but that's the exception, not the rule. -- Jao (talk) 16:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Plus she's called "Duke" for titles which she doesn't hold to begin with; she is neither duchess (or duke) of Normandy, which the english crown renounced by treaty in the 13th century, nor duchess (or duke) of Lancaster, as british titles held by the monarch revert to the crown on accession, which means there effectively hasn't been a duke of Lancaster since the 16th century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.57.250.142 (talk) 04:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Needs to be merged
This article is nothing but a series of paragraphs. It is better served being merged with Grand Duchy, which has nearly all of the same information, but in a more readable format. CsikosLo (talk) 20:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Blatant, though probably well meaning, POV
"The title grand duke is used in Western Europe and particularly in Germanic countries for provincial sovereigns. " - the title existed and is fact more characteristic of the rulers of old Rus principalities as well as Lithuania. This is just straight up Western bias. Tagging it with POV until someone rewrites or fixes it.  Volunteer Marek  20:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention the claim contradicts article text.  Volunteer Marek  20:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

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