Talk:Granville Stuart

Deaths by Stuart's Stranglers
The statement in the source is dubious because none of the biographical sources on Stuart or on Montana Vigilantes claims this large number being attributed to Stuart. Although the cited source makes this statement, the underlying reference in source is unavailable online. Once I find it, I'll clarify this concern. --Mike Cline (talk) 00:47, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Summary of other sources --Mike Cline (talk) 01:32, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Mueller, Oscar O. (1964). "Rustlers, Renegade and Stranglers-Ridding the Range of Renegades". In Kennedy, Michael S. Cowboys and Cattlemen: A Roundup from Montana:The Magazine of Western History. New York: Hastings House, Publishers. pp. 240–252.
 * Dillon lists only 20 documented deaths attributed to vigilantes between July 3 and July 22 1884 (pages 372-73).
 * Allen attributes only 13 deaths to Stuart's Stranglers
 * The Malone text is considered the standard scholarly text on Montana history and even he attribute large numbers of deaths to mere rumor and speculation.
 * Howard is as well considered a prominent Montana historian and does not attribute any killings of settlers to Stuart.
 * Dillon lists only 20 documented deaths attributed to vigilantes between July 3 and July 22 1884 (pages 372-73).
 * Allen attributes only 13 deaths to Stuart's Stranglers
 * The Malone text is considered the standard scholarly text on Montana history and even he attribute large numbers of deaths to mere rumor and speculation.
 * Howard is as well considered a prominent Montana historian and does not attribute any killings of settlers to Stuart.
 * The Malone text is considered the standard scholarly text on Montana history and even he attribute large numbers of deaths to mere rumor and speculation.
 * Howard is as well considered a prominent Montana historian and does not attribute any killings of settlers to Stuart.
 * Howard is as well considered a prominent Montana historian and does not attribute any killings of settlers to Stuart.

Re: I managed to find the book, it's legit, although it primarily focused on the Johnson County War, and that part with Stuart was just an intro to the definition of range wars.

link: https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=bBHpAwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=johnson+county+war&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_LsKVdejNYel8QXHoYGoCQ&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=stuart&f=false

Your sources are correct, but the deaths were only about the horse thieves. But I think what the anon was trying to convey was that Stuart's group killed more than a hundred horse rustlers and range squatters along Montana. I don't think there's any problem with what he added, but I don't know about you. Godzilladude123 (talk) 12:11, 19 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Godzilladude. Yeah, I read the one sentence in the book claiming Stuart was responsible for 100 deaths. However, until I see the actual footnote source, I find it very difficult to believe.  The extensive biographical work on Stuart and the Stranglers by prominent historians, comes no where close to validating that number or that Stuart was responsible for the deaths of settlers.  Most the larger numbers come from pure rumor or speculation and if the 100 number stays it has to be attributed so, not stated as if it was fact.  Time will tell.--Mike Cline (talk) 13:35, 19 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Lewl you're right. I'm been going through trying to find some legit references to see if Stuart's Stranglers did killed hundred squatters. So far I've only found some, but here are the most well-written books:


 * In one citation, it says he killed 75: Montana, high, wide, and handsome by Joseph Kinsey Howard (2003) pp. 129–137


 * and one saying he did killed a hundred: http://bismarcktribune.com/entertainment/books-and-literature/book-tells-of-vigilante-justice-in-the-west/article_f3df00c2-d327-11e0-b995-001cc4c03286.html (See: Stuart's Stranglers)


 * So far, in my opinion, the citations between yours and the anon's are a wash. Probably a "agree to disagree" conclusion. So far let's just say between 18-hundred or something. I don't know, in the end you're the expert.Godzilladude123 (talk) 16:55, 19 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I am not sure that the Bismarck Tribune source would cut it as reliable source since it is a review of an historical novel (fiction) Twelve Quiet Men. I have copy and again the large numbers attributed to Stuart are characterized as pure rumor and speculation by some newspaper accounts. All factual accounts tell of small numbers. If we found a newspaper account that suggested 5000 people died in the 9/11 bombings would we allow that number in the article.  I doubt it, there's too much factual evidence against it. --Mike Cline (talk) 17:36, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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