Talk:Green Day/Archive 1

Citation for The Network
The Network agreed to support Green Day with Jimmy Eat World on the American Idiot tour. Sources close to Green Day have been quoted as commenting "that's a really bad idea" and "can we just make them go away?"

The source is Greenday.com. Sorry I have no idea how to edit the page. But it was a news story on their site.

Johnny Rotten slams Greenday
Sex pistols frontman Johnny Rotten (John Lydon) has lashed out at Green Day, accusing them of stealing the term "punk" and reducing the political movement associated with punk into a simple musical style. He says, according to Contactmusic: "try and tell me Green Day are punk. They Are Punk they're Not plonk and they're Alot Better then me or my band ever was. I think they are True Punks."

Referring to his band's battle with the police and censors during its heyday, Lydon adds, "The government's against you, the police are on you.

"So there we are fending off all that and it pisses me off that years later a wank outfit like Green Day hop in and nick all that and attach it to themselves.

"They didn't earn their wings to do that and if they were true punk they wouldn't look anything like they do."

Personally, I agree with Johnny Rotten here, mainly because he is definately classed as punk and was one of the pioneers of the punk rock movement --202.7.190.131 09:44, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Fuck Johnny Rotten, he's an elitist and is neither a musical officionado nor in tune at all with current music. He's merely blathering on about some stupid gripe just so that he gets more attention.

I agree with whoever just wrote that post above. However in the future, the person who wrote the post above should watch his language a little. But I still agree with him. Everyone says Green Day is punk rock. Jonny Rotten's name speaks for himself. Hes a rotten old guy. --Wikipeedio 22:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

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wow, i mean, i like green day and all, but i don't consider them punk. some people really need to either start learning about punk rock is (the sex pistols are pretty much the definition: pissed everybody in the world off, made an album, then said "fuck the world" and went away, and i'm sure even billie joe would agree, so lay off johnny rotten) or stop pretending like the corporate stuff mtv feeds you is punk rock.

Cigarettes and Valetines
Someone wrote in the article that those who heard the lost Green Day album Cigarettes and Valetines said it was quite good. This information is totally incorrect. During an interview in summer of 2005, Billie Joe stated that after the tapes were lost, Rob Cavallo (Green Day's producer) told the band members he thought, "it was no good." I am considering changing that information in the article.

Berkely or Oakland?
It said Berkely Calif on the page, I found this confusing as Billie Joe Armstrong announced on their Bullet in a Bible DVD, that "Were Green Day from Oakland California, but now England is official home of Green Day". If anyone needs it, I can lookup which song and timing he says it. Thats why I changed Berkely to Oakland. --Duey Finster 20:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * He may have been talking about where they are from now, not where they originated. I was under the impression they started in Rodeo. -- Simpatico 05:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Maybe, no way of telling for sure. If its good enough for Billie Joe to say it, I think its good enough for wikipedia. Its on "Bullet in a Bible" album, song is "Minority" and time is approx. 2min mark, on the UK/Ireland version of the album (other regions may differ). --Duey Finster 21:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It could be that Billy Joe said that because at the time they were in england. He may have ment they felt like they were home, being that it was there most profitable concert (the show sold out, twice). After a Yahoo! search I found this "It takes [Billie-Joe] every crowd-pleasing trick in the book to control a crowd of 60,000 plus, and he uses them all, several times. So we get shout-outs to "England!", which is now "the official home of Green Day" (which will no doubt come to a surprise to the other official homes of Green Day that the band visited on their European tour)." Which further proves he was giving the U.K. the same treatment as all the other countries in their tour, there was nothing "offical" about it. He was just pleasing the crowd. Making once again, Oakland California, the home of Green Day --Jeffspace2002 04:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The members of Green Day are orginially from Rodeo, California according to the DVD Biography "Suburbia Bomb".

Berkley and oakland really are essentially the same city, or rather they're so close to each other that it doesn't matter too much which one you say you're fraom. Here's a map: http://www.ironic.com/oakland/Oakland_1917.jpg as you can see they basically form one continuous urban area.

Don't need to go about changing it or arguing more, I'm positive they originated in Berkley. Wikipeedio 01:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

The fact is, two of the members of Green Day originated from Rodeo. The band itself has no specific point of origin, of course. The most accurate term for origin would be "East Bay", as that is where the vast majority of early shows took place.

American Idiot interpretation
I find the interpretation inacurate, wanting to focus in the war when the story is not of a "boy going to war like the video". The story is of a boy who is growing up in a country really mess up, fell the sadness, get to the bad influences (Jimmy) and the drugs (Novacaine), find a girl (Shes a rebel and Whatsername) and end in na office doing paper work, and other stuff. I would edit the article myself, but i'm not very good in english :(

Really messed up country? I think ur the one on "novacaine," bud. Don't insult my home. We may have some people in congress bsing us, but our nation is still the only superpower in the world and continues to flourish.

---Wikikrieg---


 * That is exactly right sir, I am also pretty sure, when the album is bought, it provides an explanation. Green Day, also has provided this kind of explanation. --Mac Davis 08:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Even though most of the album is based on wild conspiracy theories with no proof? I'm sure if Bush was the monster they claim, he'd have shot them... but when do anti-war celebrities ever make sense? IAnd I got to hear the song American Idiot... it's nothing but whining about Bush, 9/11 victim trashing, and terrorist sympathy.

The person above me obviously is just another person who buys into politicos bullshit. The song "American Idiot" in no way (literal, metaphorical, symbolically) trashes 9/11 victims or sympathizes terrorists. The Bush whining is more like Bush bashing with the title, but the song is more about waking up to realize we've been hypnotized by a "truth" that might actually be made up of lies. That we live in an age where we take everything at face value and don't look any deeper. You sir, are probably a true blue and red blooded patriot. Waving your little flag, leaving it out in the rain for fear the terrorists will win if you take it down? Don't criticize the government and a misguided miscalculated war because then you'd be an enemy of America? Well, how can you disregard Green Day's freedom to say something while the only thing you've ever questioned of the government is when will we have another wonderful 4 years of Bush?! because since when do faux-patriotic Americans ever make sense? You can ramble about anything. You only want to make Green Day the enemy because you're running out of people to scapegoat for the problems of America. You sir, are the problem of America. Think you know everything. Shut up.--MassProducedGod 04:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

First of all, everyone here thinks they're an anarchist cause they listen to Green Day and don’t like Bush very much. Well, you can say 'fuck the system' and 'down with bush' and use 'scapegoat' in everything you say, but seriously, chill the fuck out. I listen to punk rock- new Green Day not being one band I listen to but not because they're popular or any of that shit, it’s because they're fucking fakes. Just because I listen to punk, go to punk shows, play in punk bands, does not mean I must complain about the government every second I can; I wouldn’t be enjoying life. And if you want to write music about how you feel, that's great, but it should actually mean something to you and not be some hypocritical bullshit just to get your fucking album sold. Now I cant remember how I got myself on this site and I don’t know why I'm wasting my minutes on here... but I find it incredibly RIDICULOUS that anyone on this thing takes Green Days lyrics seriously… or even bothers listening to Green Day’s lyrics and trying to find meaning it any of them. If you want meaning, listen to Dookie or something; listen to songs about cross-dressing and fucking with people. Green Day has written such little about politics before this album. Now that ‘punk’ has come back and total badass bands like Good Charlotte and My Chemical Romance are crying on stage as 8-year-old girls are drooling over their pictures in some teen magazine, green day has started dressing in black, wearing make-up and singing about America being corrupt. Now, if you’re not convinced that green day is sold out or you think they’re doing this because they really want to send a message out to people unaware that our country’s fucked, read the lyrics a little more and take a look at the fucking band. “Don’t wanna be an American idiot, one nation controlled by the media.” I was in Newberry Comics the other day and saw a stack of Green Day’s ‘American Idiot’ CDs and thought, why would you want to buy that CD in bulk? Then I took a closer look and saw that they were blank CDs. Green Day is now selling blank CDs. So if you’re just another fucking idiot that listens to the new Green Day saying “these guys are bad-ass” then fine, but if you’re taking in their bullshit lyrics, just remember, you’re a fucking American idiot. If anyone would like to further argue with me, please do. I would love to hear what you have to say to defend these guys that would never stand up for you. Otherwise just go listen to your pop punk and spend daddy’s cash at Hot Topic. -Jope

I think the article needs a change to the interpretation of the rock opera. Perhaps song by song? Here is my interpretation:

American Idiot- JOS is afraid of becoming an american idot. He recognizes the control of the media over what we think.

Jesus of Suburbia- We learn the story of JOS's childhood. Towards the end he decides to leave home.

Holiday- JOS is amazed by all he sees after leaving home and going on holiday. This song is also a direct attack on Gearge Bush.

Boulevard of Broken Dreams- JOS is lonely.

Are we we are- JOS is unhappy with his identity and decides to go to the City where he hopes to find himself.

St. Jimmy- JOS reinvents hemself and becomes the rebellios St. Jimmy

Give me Novacaine- He starts using drugs.

She's a Rebel- JOS/St. Jimmy meets whasername.

Extraordinary girl- They fall in love but are uncertain.

Letterbomb- Whasername breaks up with JOS/St. Jimmy because she knows he is crazy.

Wake me up when september ends- JOS/St. Jimmy is sad after breaking up with Whasername. This song is also about Billy Joel's father who died when he was a kid.

Homecoming- JOS decides to get rid of St. Jimmy. He is not sure what to do with himself but he finally decides to return home.

All american idiotis is an ode to how much they hate Bush and the usa for being idiots ...I agree with them when it comes to america going down the drain I mean look @ the supreme court judges..you know what they are?.. there the 70"s Gay liberals who are in power in our schools and all the rest of america. However when it comes to slamming bush and the usa I say ha if you hate america so much I dont give a dang..leave the USA and I garentee you you will come back and kiss the ground of this nation,,Bush is doing all he can and if all the antiwar liberals want it to end why dont you think about supporting bush and praying that the faggs we call senate would be replaced.And We would actully have someone who knows what there doing in place ..the way I see it is If We dont put God back in schools and our goverment we are all Damned ...look @ the statistics 1960" they took God out of schools and pow s.a.t scores go down school shottings, drugs ,violence, sex,... go up and america is becoming the nation of Itiots..(thats the only time I agree with green day) so if you dont want God back in school and you hate what america stands for CALL 1-800 L-E-A-V-E T-H-E-U-S-A


 * What's wrong with being a gay liberal?  S t. J immy  14:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Collective Noun Crash Course
TheoClarke edited this page to change verbs describing the actions of the band from plural to singular. This, however, is unnecessary and (in circles outside the US) considered to be incorrect. It is the equivalent of changing the spelling of "colour" to "color" and vice versa. Stellis 09:18, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I apologise for that. I reversed a change from what I thought was a correct usage to what I thought was an incorrect one. I did not know that this was another US-English/Commonwealth-English divide, although I would be surprised to find that I favour US-usage. Please put it down to error rather than nationalism. I remembered being taught (in England) that either plural or singular verbs could be used after collective nouns but that singular verbs were preferable where they applied to the subject as a single entity. For example, "The band is a rock group" and "The band were born in Greensboro" are both correct, whereas "The band was born in Greenboro" is incorrect (unless they were triplets). To my knowledge (and I can find nothing in the edit history that contradicts this), I changed just one word, once, so you may be confusing me with someone else who made other changes (although I could not find evidence of such changes on a quick look through). Strictly speaking, though, (and I had not considered this before) this article should be written in US-English since it concerns subject that is tightly coupled to the US. &mdash;Theo (Talk) 13:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No harm done Stellis 23:43, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

All american idiotis is an ode to how much they hate Bush and the usa for being idiots ...I agree with them when it comes to america going down the drain I mean look @ the supreme court judges..you know what they are?.. there the 70"s Gay liberals who are in power in our schools and all the rest of america. However when it comes to slamming bush and the usa I say ha if you hate america so much I dont give a dang..leave the USA and I garentee you you will come back and kiss the ground of this nation,,Bush is doing all he can and if all the antiwar liberals want it to end why dont you think about supporting bush and praying that the faggs we call senate would be replaced.And We would actully have someone who knows what there doing in place ..the way I see it is If We dont put God back in schools and our goverment we are all Damned ...look @ the statistics 1960" they took God out of schools and pow s.a.t scores go down school shottings, drugs ,violence, sex,... go up and america is becoming the nation of Itiots..(thats the only time I agree with green day) so if you dont want God back in school and you hate what america stands for CALL 1-800 L-E-A-V-E T-H-E-U-S-A

Green Day's Punk Disputes
Moved to /Genre disputes. p s y c h o m e l o  ( d i s  c  ussion)  13:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Green Day In Disguise

 * For the IP that edited the paragraph regarding GD's 2003 master tapes being related to "The Network": Sorry, but that sounds rather unlikely that a band could release an album using someone else's master tapes. The whole thing seemed kind of POV, so I excised it from the article. If you'd like to prove your case, feel free; I'm always open to being proven wrong. I think I might have proved myself wrong, and as such I'm going to *cough* attempt to hide the evidence. >_>[[User:Mo0|Mo0 [ talk ] ]] 22:38, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's try this again. I'm going to leave the article up the way it is, without reverting it. What I'll ask for is simply a confirmation of whether The Network is, in fact, Green Day. Once that happens, I will rewrite the things related to The Network, as what is there feels a bit POV-ed. Apologies for the massive stupidity on my part. [[User:Mo0|Mo0 [ talk ] ]] 22:45, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * The members of the band Green Day are all members of the band The Network. There are two additional members in The Network that are not members of Green Day. See The Network for more/correct details. Stellis 23:44, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Billie Joe confirmed that Mike, Tre, and himself were members of The Network in an issue of Q Magazine during summer 2005. He also denies that The Network's "Money Money 2020" was actually the lost mastertapes for "Cigarettes and Valentines".

"green day in hell"
User:67.67.132.59 wrote in the article "It has also been reported in print by the band members themselves that a principal at their school once made the comment that it would be a "green day" in hell before they amounted to anything." I cannot find any original citation of this although it is often repeated so I have made it anecdotal until we have verified the source. --Theo (Talk) 14:55, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Interesting. I'll have to keep an eye open and a Google tab available to hunt down that citation - if it really exists, that is. =) Wanderer 02:45, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

I'll confirm it, though I don't have a textual basis for it. Canaen 08:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Sales levels
Does anyone know which records went gold, platinum, double platinum, etc.? Three singles were flagged with such qualificatiosn but this is misleading if we do not yupdate the entire list in one go. Please could knowledgable editors annotate the following list so that we can update the article in one consistent hit. Please italicise each title as you bring it up to date so that we know when low-selling titles have been processed.&mdash;Theo (Talk) 12:48, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Albums
1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours no cert (only 55,000 units) Kerplunk! Platinum (though it's actually sold 680,000 units) Dookie 10x Platinum (though it's 11 million sold) Insomniac 2x Platinum (1.9 M sold) Nimrod 2x Platinum (1.9 M sold) Warning: Gold (500,000 sold) International Superhits! Gold (1.2 M sold) Shenanigans no cert (183,000 sold) American Idiot 3x Platinum (3.6 M sold)

EPs
Sweet Children 1,000 Hours Slappy American Idiot Sessions@AOL - Green Day Bowling Bowling Bowling Parking Parking

Singles
Welcome to Paradise Basket Case Longview When I Come Around Geek Stink Breath Stuck With Me Brain Stew/Jaded Hitchin' a Ride Good Riddance (Time of Your Life) Redundant Minority Warning (2000) Warning (2001) American Idiot [Platinum] Boulevard of Broken Dreams [Triple Platinum] Holiday [Gold] Wake Me Up When September Ends (Hi, Im just wondering, does anyone know the next single after Wake me up when September Ends?)

I think the single after WMUWSE is going to be Extraordinary Girl. It's been playing in my hometown and they hinted at it during their Dayton concert in October.
 * Actually, Jesus of Suburbia just came out as a single. It also includes St. Jimmy, the "VH1 Storytellers" version.

Theo, I just added a few days ago what the US sales were since on Billboard.com they have a column called Ask Billboard where they sometimes release sales figures of album. I added them all to the regular album entries. Mind you, Dookie which is certified 10x platinum hasn't even sold 8 million copies yet, so you can see how the certifications can be misleading. Warning: has also sold 1 million units, but is actually still only certified gold (500,000 sales) as is International Superhits! which has actually sold 1.2 million. If you want to check out the certifications, go to www.riaa.com and go to the certification database and enter whichever artists' name you wish and you will get the info you desire.

Actually, I've added the certs next to each album in your list.

-PetSounds 28 June 2005 19:40 (UTC)

Great job! Now we need to decide where to put this information. How about in the last column along with chart positions?&mdash;Theo (Talk) 29 June 2005 06:07 (UTC)

I think the next single is "Jesus of Suburbia" ...and i thought the "wake me up..." video was long...

Now that JoS is out, is there gonna be another single from American Idiot?
 * Nope. They are on break now, and working on their next album. --PokeOnic (Talk) 22:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours
PetSounds, please stop changing 1990 to the incorrect year (1991) to 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours. The album was released, copyrighted and published in 1990 (as printed on the CD and back cover, in-case you don't have the album). I can see why you changed it to the incorrect year but, seriously just leave it as 1990 because that's the correct year. I repeat, please stop changing it. -- Mike Garcia | talk 19:53, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * shows the release date as April 19, 1991 not July 1, 1991. I would also like to continue to point out that dates on cases are copyright dates, not release dates unless specifically said it is a release date. Cburnett June 28, 2005 20:23 (UTC)


 * The user said July 1st, 1991. -- Mike Garcia | talk June 28, 2005 20:27 (UTC)


 * Neither date is in 1990. You are mistaking the copyright date for the release date. Cburnett June 28, 2005 20:45 (UTC)


 * The album says 1990, please see: . -- Mike Garcia | talk June 28, 2005 20:49 (UTC)


 * link aint working and like Cburnett is saying you are mistaking copyright date with release date imo Boneyard 29 June 2005 10:30 (UTC)


 * The copyright date for the music on 1,039/SOSH in 1990 because the 39/Smooth vinyl LP was released that year. The actual CD, which compiled 39/Smooth, 1000 Hours EP and the Slappy EP was released in April of 1991 according to greendayauthority.com and other websites (sorry for not remembering off the top of my head.

The above is correct. I own an original copy of 39/Smooth which was released in 1990 - the reissue with the EP's included was in 1991. -Jason Holmes (jholmes8@gmail.com)

Walking Contradiction
Hey! Walking Contradiction is a single from "Insomniac" that doesn't figure on this list... I didn't added it yet because I need the ranks for that song. If anyone has them, please post them on the article. Thanks, Greedy 2 July 2005 01:12 (UTC)
 * According to The Green Day Authority "Like Stuck With Me, Walking Contradiction didn't get a single, just a video." Some promo singles were sent to radio stations and journalists but it was never on general release. This is why it does not feature on the list.&mdash;Theo (Talk) 2 July 2005 17:30 (UTC)

Currentness of the Article
May I complain? Well, this article is good and all, but it's lacking quite a bit of information on the singles. Even the newer singles have almost no information whatsoever. DrippingInk 4 July 2005 12:43 (UTC)

The information about the singles is largely dispersed to individual articles about each of them.&mdash;Theo (Talk) 4 July 2005 14:20 (UTC)


 * I am aware of that, but the main article does not contain much information on them, like it should at least have when they were released. Winnermario July 6, 2005 23:30 (UTC)


 * Good point. Go for it! &mdash;Theo (Talk) 7 July 2005 00:08 (UTC)

PetSounds' warning
PetSounds, please don't change 1990 to 1991 for 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours again, you have the wrong information. Unconvinced? Please see the source again before changing/reverting: and you better not change/revert it again this time. If you do it, I'm gonna be tracking you off, so don't have me do it. As I said on your talk page. -- Mike Garcia | talk 16:25, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Mike the link doesn't work, perhaps they have disabled direct linking. No-one is denying it says 1990 on the back of the album, but that isn't the release date. the wub  "?/!"  9 July 2005 19:11 (UTC)
 * Yes it is the release date! Are you people insane? -- Mike Garcia | talk 9 July 2005 19:20 (UTC)
 * Mike, please calm down and refrain from comments like "Are you people insane?" which I think you know are inappropriate. Thanks for posting the link to the image with the 1990 date. If you say it is a release date as opposed to a copyright date, please site a source saying so. Folks who say it is some other date than 1990, you are asked to please site your sources as well. Gathering evidence and evaluating it is a better way to build articles than insults, threats, and revert wars. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 19:32, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to calm down, okay. But, here are more sources:, , , , , , . Also, PetSounds, I hope this is the last time you changed it to the wrong year (1991) before we both violate the 3RR again. -- Mike Garcia | talk 9 July 2005 19:40 (UTC)
 * OK thanks Mike. From some of those sources it looks like there may be more to this, but you never posted any of them before only links to pictures of the cover. On the other hand Amazon, allmusic,, and http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=5087944&pr=3414653 all point to 1991. I think the best idea would be to put a dispute template on 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours and possibly make a RFC to try and get some more information. the wub   "?/!"  20:08, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * OK have done this. Please direct any further discussion to Talk:1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours. -- the wub  "?/!"  20:53, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

dropping Lookout! Albums
i read on CNN that Green Day was pulling their pre-1994 album off Lookout. --Terinjokes

I heard this too, and that the move will drastically cut Lookout!s already small staff. I will look for a link and get back to you guys on it. Apparently, Adeline records got the rights to the album back, and they can reissue them as they see fit? -- propogandhi

Neo-Nazi Accusations

 * basically this whole thing needs to be deleted, it is just TROLLING by some bitter punk fans.


 * Totally untrue, Green Day cannot be accused of this. it has now been deleted, can we make sure it doesn't come back please. 80.42.28.76 21:10, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that it appears to be rumor and nothing more, also it's unsourced info and very POV. This should stay deleted unless it can be backed up and sourced, that is to stay that this should stay deleted since there's no way to source and back up these claims with fact. Jtkiefer  T - 04:38, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

>User:Kerrysfrench
 * Despite wether or not it is true, I would prefer that the article remain on their page, because I think it is fair to allow the reader to decide wether or not it is true. It also does not accuse them, it informs that they have been accused. I will do my best to keep the article running, because I believe it is fair and unbiased.

Here's my problems with it, notable parts bolded. Jtkiefer T - 04:48, August 7, 2005 (UTC)


 * Green Day has been accused of Neo Nazism multiple times, however no solid proof can be found. The evidence for these accusations lie in song lyrics such as Boulevard of Broken Dreams. It is believed the lyrics are actually about Adolf Hitler walking alone through the streets of a destroyed Polish city with a large Jewish population. The song American Idiot also provokes an anti-American message.

- - ''The Song "When I Come Around" can also be interpreted as Hitler taunting fearful Jews to not cry, becuase he will soon arrive to kill them. In the song "Reject"(Nimrod) the lyrics contain the words,"To Hell and back to Hell again, you're not my type, your not my type(refering to Jews), I do what I want and you do what your told". "Nice Guys Finish Last" contains the lyrics "Nice guys finish last, your running out of gas", which refers to a Holocaust victim holding on to their last breath of air, while being gassed.'' - - ''"Having a blast" is a narrative in which the author states "I won't listen to anyone's last words", reffering to Hitler's final moments.another part of the song says"There's nothind left for you to say. Soon you'll be dead anyway," which can be seen as Hitler speaking to his next victims. With these hidden song meanings, one can easily arrive at the conclusion that the band espouses Adolf Hitler, and his murderous deeds, however it is up to you to decide what is really true.''


 * This is entirely unsourced and the sections I have bolded show that these sections are inferences and opinions which are unencyclopedic and POV, now if there was any way to back this up then this could be formatted as such to include fact, however since this is unbacked up I think that this should stay out. I am also annoyed that you appear to be in the mindset that you will do what you want even if consensus and wikipedia guidelines disagree with what you want. "I will do my best to keep the article running, because I believe it is fair and unbiased.". Jtkiefer  T - 04:48, August 7, 2005 (UTC)


 * I concur with Jtkiefer. &mdash;Theo (Talk) 08:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Me too, and I will continue to remove it unless it is backed up with sources. the wub  "?/!"  10:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)


 * That's the funniest thing I've read in a while. I especially like the "analyses" of those songs. User:moondust9358

This is such BS that Green Day is being accused of being Neo-Nazis. In Holiday they are acusing Bush of being Neo Nazi "Zeig Heil to the president gasman" No one has any proof of this. HOLIDAY IS NOT ANTI-AMERICAN, IT IS ANTI-WAR!

it is my opinion that you would have to be completely insane to read that much into a Green Day song. you could interpret it any way you want, if you look at it hard enough, but that doesn't mean that its true. by these standards, any song ever written could be construed as neo-nazi. i'm glad it was removed.--Alhutch 19:31, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

'''i agree whple heartedly with Alhuttuch. anything can be considered "neonazi" if you did deep enouth. the nightmare befor christmass can be contorted because jack wears a suite that looks like a ss uniform. OH GOD!!!!!!!! come on now are the history students who quote nazis ne themselvs? what about the anarchist movemant of the 80's? are they nazis? '''come on!!! you arre a nazi!!''' they are expressing themselvs which are protected by the 1st addment! JEW!am i one ? no!!furbyco07

Firstly, I would like to appologize for User "Kerrysfrench" for his lack of sources.

Evidence from Rolling Stones' magazine the 2004 issue had shown evidence that the following accusations of Green Day are true. When Green Day appeared live on TRL they denied these accusations; however, when interviewing "Tre Cool" he addmitted to most of the accussations along with addmitting he in fact was a Neo Nazi. June 2004. Rolling Stone Magazine. Article 24. Page 9.

The Song "When I Come Around" is interpreted as Hitler taunting fearful Jews to not cry, becuase he will soon arrive to kill them. In the song "Reject"(Nimrod) the lyrics contain the words,"To Hell and back to Hell again, you're not my type, your not my type(refering to Jews), I do what I want and you do what your told". "Nice Guys Finish Last" contains the lyrics "Nice guys finish last, your running out of gas", which refers to a Holocaust victim holding on to their last breath of air, while being gassed. - - "Having a blast" is a narrative in which the author states "I won't listen to anyone's last words", reffering to Hitler's final moments.another part of the song says "There's nothind left for you to say. Soon you'll be dead anyway," which can be seen as Hitler speaking to his next victims. With these hidden song meanings, one can easily arrive at the conclusion that the band espouses Adolf Hitler, and his murderous deeds.

It makes more sense when you accuse a band like KMFDM, Psyclon Nine and Rammstein of being neo-Nazis. Even Marilyn Manson. The idea that such baseless accusations can be made against Green Day is just down right ignorant. It could be someone reading too much into a song, or it could be someone wanting to make an accusation out of boredom. I'm sure of it that if there people who have the time on their hands to order off infomercials, someone has the time to come up with these things. Any song can be anti- anything if you try hard enough. Neil Diamond's "America" could actually be anti-immigrant for all we know. Hidden context and meanings in songs about bad relationships? More blatant disregard for any fact. It's just idiotic, man. Seriously.--MassProducedGod 04:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually the idea seams pretty possible to me... I doubt it's true, but it's possible I think. Perhaps we should create a special page for it? I'm thinking "Green Day Neo-Nazi Accusations" perhaps. I think people who dislike it need to take an unbias look at the article, becuase I have a feeling the people who dislike it are probably die-hard Green Day friends. So keeping an open mind, I think it deserves its own page where its flaws and possible truths can be observed. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.161.247.202 (talk • contribs) January 23, 2006.
 * Please see WP:OR.Jtrost 23:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

After reading this I was seriously amazed. It makes a lot of sense, and I think we have a good theory. But you guys are right it does seam more like blog material than encyclopedia material, so it should stay off.

There is now way in the world they're Nazis. Why? Because Billie is Bisexual, That's why. New!!!!!oneone 05:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

"The song American Idiot also provokes an anti-American message." I guess that makes the whole punk rock genre Neo-Nazi. You know, the whole anti-establishment genre. I guess that means that anyone who's upset about the current state of America must be Neo-Nazi too, anyone who would like to see Presdient Bush out of office. I guess that makes me Neo-Nazi as well. --67.160.73.69 06:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

These guys are NOT and have NEVER been Neo-nazis, racists, or Hitler sympathisers. Many of their Berkeley friends were anti-racist activists, and they were active in the(actively anti-Nazi) Gilman St. scene.

Um, if they were neo nazis why would they release an anti right wing album?

You know who else is a Nazi? Madonna. "Holiday" is obviously a reference to Kristallnacht. "Borderline" is what Hitler liked crossing. "American Pie" refers to the Axis powers and their plan to divide America like a pie. And of course Hitler didn't want anyone to "Live to Tell" what was going on in the death camps. Yep, that proves she's a Nazi all right...even if she's now a Jew. St. Jimmy 05:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep. Good point. Now everything fits correctly in my head.--Zingazin 17:43, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

American Idol vs. American Idiot
Hi there. Firstly, I would like to thank-you all for your contributions. At present though I just want to clear up some misunderstanding. For those obviously-not-so-die-hard fans of Green Day please be advised that American Idiot is the name of their current album, whereas American Idol is, of course, the popular reality show. With that said, I'm not sure what some editors mean by "American Idol" sessions. I think at should have read "American Idiot" sessions, but whoever keeps changing this to "American Idol", please participate in this discussion with some citation. And happy Monday. ;) 18:52 August 29, 2005 drdr1989
 * Happy Mondays to you too :) the wub  "?/!"  21:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Given the recent vandalism that happened to this entry in the wake of their VMA victory, I think the Idiot/Idol switch was part of that vandalism. Cjmarsicano 05:33, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * AOL, released, the day before American Idiot was released, "Sessions@AOL" with Green Day. They played a few songs including "Jesus of Suburbia, " "Boulevard of Broken Dreams," and "American Idiot."

Recent link removed - Drumscore
Was about to put it back on. Will do so if owner can explain how to make the download links work without having a "corrupted file" icon appear with each link. Drdr1989 17:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I guess it was just put back on. Rather than nitpick and remove it (hint, hint to someone) I'll just kindly direct them hopefully to this page. ;=) Drdr1989 17:11, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Rise in popularity?
I'd like to know where this header came from in the article: Rise in popularity. This seems to be placed after the release of Dookie, and judging by this article, Insomniac and its follow-ups to Warning: were not as successful as the debut major label album. So how does this title fit with the article? If anything, the group had a "dip in popularity". Winnermario 18:35, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Yellow submarine?
"Future Plans

According to NME Shooting of an American Idiot: The Motion Picture movie is planned to start in 2006. In an interview with Billboard, Armstrong revealed that the group are still considering turning the punk rock opera into a film, in much the same spirit as the Beatles' "Yellow Submarine." Green Day are debating whether, after the end of their Stateside jaunt, they will play stadium shows in Australia and South America."

Is there any real reason that "Yellow Submarine"'s being listed here? It's a song which was turned into a film because they were contracted for another film. Surely The Wall/Tommy/Quadrophenia would be better examples, since they were albums describing a narrative of sorts which was turned into a film because the band wanted it, rather than being forced into it, which is more analogous to the situation.
 * Whether or not either film was a contractual obligation doesn't enter into it as far as comparisons of how they want the finished product to be. I see your point about the Wall/Tommy/Quad comparison though... I hope it's not anything like Tommy though - the soundtrack was great but the movie sucked. Cjmarsicano 15:12, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Emo?
Moved to /Genre disputes. p s y c h o m e l o  ( d i s  c  ussion)  13:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

green day is the last band today i would call emo. they're far more post-punk- emopunk

Should we lock this article?
Considering that this article is vandalized almost daily by people looking to label the band as anti-American (amongst other ephitets), might I propose locking this article for the time being, similar to what had to be done with the Bob Dylan article? Seeing what has been done to the article every day, much of it not real updates, has been rather disgusting. Cjmarsicano 00:29, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's necessary, the vandalism isn't often or significant enough to cause huge probles and vandals can easily be reverted so locking this article would probably do more harm than good. Jtkiefer  T - 01:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Compared to, say, articles concerning the Middle East, or major American political candidates, this is a walk in the reasonable-discourse park! - DavidWBrooks 01:50, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know why this article is constantly vandalized, but it is, and it should be locked for a while. I remember last year, someone completely filled Tré Cool's article with misinformation about how he got his name.

Heart Like A Hand Grenade
"...and Green Day's DVD Documentary "Heart Like A Hand Grenade", has spoken of various projects recorded at Studio 880..."

Has anyone actually seen this documentary? Maybe I'm missing something here, but there's almost no reference to it on the internet, other than cloned versions of this article. Amazon has never heard of it either. Does anyone have any solid references to back this up?...Or even back up that there was a Green Day DVD, because - other than 'bullet in a bible' - this is the first I've ever heard of anything like it. --Joewithajay 19:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Only parts of this documentary have been made public at this point. Reprise Records released a half-hour cut to Fuse and MTV earlier this year. The documentary was filmed over the entire album-recording process by John Roecker and is still in the editing phase. I was told this summer by a producer close to the band that it had been cut down to a 3-hour version at that point. --AHSports 15:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

meow ;]

Concert Info
I feel dumb for asking this on this article, but how does someone get a hold of the Green Day manager, I would love to fund a concert in my hometown, but I don't know a thing about setting up concerts and whatnot. This is totally hypothetical because I don not have the money for it, unforetunatly :(
 * You should email them through their website. Please don't ask for these kinds of things on Wikipedia. --Mac Davis 08:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

And what happens at Green Day concerts, I've never been to one?
 * Well essentially, they sing, play drums, and guitars in an almost-rhythmic fashion, while the die-hard fans and teeny boppers alike mosh to the music. --SCC 11:10, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Ive been to their concerts and they have a long row of flamethrowers that shoot 15 foot flames out of the stage, they have pretty damn loud explosions, and an unbelievable fireworks show at the end. If there are any elderly people who live in the neighborhood of the designated concert area, then you should buy them hotel tickets for a nice quiet spot, invite them to the concert or buy them headphones. This comment was added by COOL GUY


 * On Green Day Authority they have concert reviews, which you might want to check out. Starla Dear 17:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Jason White
I figured that since Jason White has his own article, his larger biographical info was probably more appropriate there. I decided to be bold and move it. -Le Scoopertemp [  tk  ] 02:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Good stuff! fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:18, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

excuse me i think that green day is the worlds best band and thir concerts are simply amazing and if you dont like greenday u got problems! i've loved them for 11 yrs thats a long time.

statement removal
Many long-time Green Day fans felt uncomfortable and even threatened when American Idiot'' was released. The music was much more accessible, and was occasionally mistaken by less-cultured music fans (who had previously been oblivious to Green Day's work) for the "boybands with guitars" style of Busted and McFly. This was viewed as particularly insulting, as some would argue that such boybands exploit the very things that made Green Day popular, mimicking them in a contrived and insincere way.''

I removed that statement since it was entirely unsupported and fairly opinionated. Jtkiefer T 18:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Good. That statement has been very annoying since the time it went up. It was quite a POV statement. Newguineafan 16:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I just removed a statement also. I had asked that it be cited a while back, in one of my 50 other comments, but with the recent merger of the comments, I'm too lazy to look it up. It should be in the Punk dispute thing, unless someone deleted it. The statement I removed was "About two months later, they played a high school party with the Lookouts in a remote mountain location near Willits, California, where Tré and Kain Kong of the Lookouts lived and attended school. Only five kids showed up for the party but they left after the first song, and there was no electricity in the house and the toilet didn't work, so Sweet Children had to play using a generator and candlelight. But they played, as Lookouts singer/guitarist Larry Livermore put it, "as if they were The Beatles at Shea Stadium."" There are also several other biased and uncited statements in the "Lookouts: the beginning (1988-1992)" section, and unless more of them are cited, I will delete them in the next week or so. Merry Christmas GD fans! Gold Stur 19:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

green day hoax
I have removed the entire green day hoax statement since it is entirely unsourced. It should only be re-added if a proper source can be found for it. Jtkiefer T 06:19, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

''In 1997, it was announced on the official Green Day fan site www.greenday.com that 2 previously unreleased Green Day songs had been "found" and added to the site. They were supposed to be old recordings from years before. The songs "Listen Son", and "I Had a Dream", the latter being more or less a cover of "Worry Rock", even got aired on radio. No one seemed to suspect anything until Billie Joe's wife, Adrienne, contacted the site owner, Jason, telling him the songs were fake and should immediately be withdrawn from the site. This caused some embarrasment for the owner of the site since he had failed to check his sources. The 2 songs had been sent in by Daniel Soxic, who was 18 years old at the time of the hoax.''

Well done, the artist Daniel Soxic has nothing to do with this. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ravenx (talk • contribs) 01:09, November 28, 2005.

First of all, it was on GreenDay.net not GreenDay.com. The way the hoax actually went down was a visitor of my site contacted me and said that he had two unreleased Green Day songs ("Listen Son" and "I Had A Dream"). At the time, stuff like that happened a lot, I had both Insomniac and Nimrod leaked to me as well as rare songs but had never posted them before and instead just provided reviews of the albums/songs. After listening to the songs, they sounded like Green Day's style but not necessarily exactly like the band. I had previously found my internet sources to be very trustworthy so I went with it. Over the next couple days, we went from averaging about 4,000 unique visitors per day to about 8,000. Media and radio outlets were all talking about the leaked songs and I did hear that some radio stations were even playing them on the air. After about two days, Billie's wife Adrienne contacted me and let me know the songs were fakes. Despite what some media outlets claimed, neither the band nor their record label were upset over the incident. I was also not contacted by the band or labels lawyers as some have claimed. I quickly removed the songs after recieving Adrienne's email and apologized to all parties, including the band and Reprise. There was absolutely no problem dealing with the band or label after this incident. After I posted the retraction the media reaction was even bigger than when the actual songs were released, I was contacted by Rolling Stone and many other internet music news sites (It happened when GD were promoting Nimrod so a few media outlets took to calling me a 'Net Nimrod').

If you need more info, let me know.

-Jason Holmes (jholmes8@gmail.com)

Criticism
Moved to /Genre disputes. p s y c h o m e l o  ( d i s  c  ussion)  13:58, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

non fairuse images
I have removed Image:Greendayold.jpg and Image:GreenDayTracks.jpg since they have no fairuse rational, they should be re-added though if a good rational can be found. Jtkiefer T 00:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Protected the page
I've protected the page because of the multiple reverts on genre classification. Please reach a consensus / compromise on this talk page rather than continuing this. —Matthew Brown (T:C) 03:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

How long do I have to be a user before I can edit this page again. (I just became 1 today) --ChildOfMorella 17:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * They're Pop punk. Those who say they're Punk rock don't know what Punk rock is. (read this)
 * They started as a punk rock band, probably before the expression pop punk was created. So I believe they could be considered both a pop punk and punk rock band. Or do you think Kerplunk is pop punk? FTota 13:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Meaning of Good Riddance
The article states, "It was also the top wedding song for that year, ironically, seeing as how the song was written as a bitter kiss-off to the other party after a nasty breakup."

The popular interpretation is it is about suicide, maybe add that into the sentance to change

"It was also the top wedding song for that year, ironically, seeing as how the song was written as a bitter kiss-off to the other party after a nasty breakup. Another morbid interpretation of the song believes it deals with suicide."
 * I've heard several times Billie Joe Armstrong say that as with Wake Me Up When September Ends, the song is kind of mourning his father's death. --Mac Davis 08:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

CORRECTION! Good Riddance is about the struggle between Green Day and their Supporters. They couldnt return to their hometown in California due to the fact that many punk fans saw Green Day as sell-outs and hated them for "soaking up the spotlight". They couldnt return to their homes because the poparazzi and anti-Greenday people knew where they lived. It describes secluding yourself from the underground punk scene. Green Day doesnt care about the opinions of people who think that they are sell-outs. To be successful you need to worry less about satisfying the same crowd over and over, and you need to satisfy whoever is necessary to be successful and sometimes that involves changing the style of your music to gain interest from everyone. -Cool Guy

Good Riddance was an unreleased song from the Dookie sessions. It was originally released as an accoustic b-side on the Brain Stew single. The song was about a breakup Billie had with a girl, I can probably find more info on it if needed.

-Jason Holmes (jholmes8@gmail.com)

Not sure if this helps but in the VH1 "Driven: Green Day" Rob Callavo has stated that "the song is actaully a big 'f*ck you'" --Thewonderwaffle 18:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Radio Daze
Why dosen't anyone mention Radio Daze in the ALbum section? Radio Daze was originaly a live radio show Green Day did in New Jersey, which was recorded and sold without the bands permission. Even if it was created illegally, it still should be entered into the article, because it has many live versions of songs and a previously never mentioned song, "C Yo Yus", which was a cover.

Dude

Unprotecting
This article has been protected from editing for ten days over a petty dispute about whether the group is punk or pop punk. If there is no substantial agreement on either then I suggest that it would be wrong to state either. Without much personal familiarity with their music beyond the obvious, I'd hazard a guess that like most good music acts they tend to transcend any genre labels people might care to put on them. So I'm unprotecting and if I catch any further warring over these labels I'll be inclined to get medieval on the perpetrators. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the "warning", but this is exactly why there was a compromise for two genres reached after much discussion as you can see. Drdr1989 19:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Seems people are vandalizing the page again, maybe it should be protected again? --predatorfreak 21:11, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think the vandalization will stop until Green Day are irrelevant, which won't be any time soon. We'll just have to keep an eye on this page and revert everything. *sigh* -- Simpatico 06:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * My goodness, surely if it's going to cause such pathetic problems then it's not worth mentioning at all.Liss 16:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Quotations vs Italics
Albums titles are italicized while song titles have quotation marks. There are problems with this throughout the article (sometimes they are correct, sometimes not). -- Simpatico 10:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Steve Diggle incident
Where would be a good place to mention this ?
 * Too trivial to mention, IMO. Also, Diggle sounds like an ass - if he has no idea who they are how can he have any opinion about them? Shallow... -- Simpatico 06:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming they had a conversation, whatever happened during it I don't know but I assume it was long enough for Diggle to obtain an opinion Johhny-turbo 08:42, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Green Day being accused of being neo Nazis
These are about the most exaggerated, tenuous interpretations of Green days music. And the person who wants these to be in the main article obviously shows their true agenda when they say ‘The song American Idiot also provokes an anti-American message’. Stop trying to colour a an entry on a factual encyclopedia with your own agenda that is so obviously to taint Green day’s reputation just because they have made an album which demonstrates against the neoconservative agenda of war and unilateralism and the media which unquestiongly supports these policies.
 * i don't know if you've read it yet, but this issue has previously been discussed on this talk page. scroll up to see it.--Alhutch 21:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I acknowledge that the members of green day are not neo nazis, however it is clear, and i am sure that they would tell you this themselves, that they are anti-Americans. And you are utterly mistaken with your statement about the media. Fox News is the only conservative TV media network that I am aware of. Have you looked at PBS or CNN? ---Wikikrieg---

Green Day have openly stated that they are not "anti-american", civil discourse, and challenging government is as American as apple pie.

Like mentioned up above on this page, the album american idiot is not meant to be taken 100% literally. There are terms and statements that are contradictory and people need to understand that not all music has a subliminal message. Greenday has been accused of being sell-outs but what are you supposed to do when people lose interest in your music? you try new things. they arent neo-nazis. -Cool Guy

Semi-protection
I'm putting up semi-protection on this article. It is such a target for unregistered vandals that as far as I am concerned, it is the only way that most admins' and contributors' energies to be devoted to writing and expanding the Wiki, rather than cleaning up after the random shitting of anonymous wild animals.

No, I'm not an admin (yet), but as long as I have the ability to type the sprotect template and be bold, I'm going to look out for the encyclopedia. Cjmarsicano 17:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Putting the sprotect template on the article does not semi-protect the article. It makes people think the article is semi-protected, but it doesn't actually do anything.--Alhutch 17:59, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Then I highly suggest that a momement, petition, or whatever other protocol is greatly in order to prevent any and all unregistered participants from altering the Wikipedia, because I'm tired ot seeing every other edit to many of these articles be a reversion of some juvenile asshole's vandalism. Cjmarsicano 18:04, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * the article is now semi-protected.--Alhutch 18:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to semi-protect the article for a while if that is the necessary course of action. Please do not try to do this on your own, however, since you are not an administrator. Thanks,--Alhutch 18:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Wow. It's amazing how many things are locked down for vandalism. --DanielCD 20:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Is this article seriously worth semi-protection? Wouldn't it make more sense just to block the vandals? I note quite a bit of vandalism in the history, but it doesn't seem near the amount done on articles such as George W. Bush. --Cymsdale 08:38, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

CHARTS
Here is a list of all of Green Day's UK hit singles if anyone would ike to edit them up:

Position Artist Title Date Details

20 Green Day Welcome To Paradise Oct 1994

7 Green Day Basket Case (re-issue) Jan 1995 Notes

30 Green Day Longview Mar 1995

27 Green Day When I Come Around May 1995

16 Green Day Geek Stink Breath Oct 1995

24 Green Day Stuck With Me Jan 1996

28 Green Day Brain Stew / Jaded Jul 1996

25 Green Day Hitchin' A Ride Oct 1997

11 Green Day Time Of Your Life (Good Riddance) Jan 1998

27 Green Day Redundant May 1998

18 Green Day Minority Sep 2000

27 Green Day Warning Dec 2000

34 Green Day Waiting Nov 2001

3 Green Day American Idiot Sep 2004

5 Green Day Boulevard Of Broken Dreams Dec 2004

11 Green Day Holiday Mar 2005

8 Green Day Wake Me Up When September Ends Jun 2005

17 Green Day Jesus Of Suburbia Nov 2005

Heres the ones for Sweeden too:

Artist Title Entry Peak

Green Day Basket Case 1994-11-11, 3

Green Day When I Come Around 1995-07-14, 28

Green Day Geek Stink Breath 1995-10-06, 28

Green Day American Idiot 2004-09-24, 18

Green Day Boulevard Of Broken Dreams 2005-01-20, 2

Green Day Holiday 2005-04-28, 25

Green Day Wake Me Up When September Ends 2005-08-18, 21

New Label
Green day is no longer with Reprise records. They are on Warner Bro. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.160.171.111 (talk • contribs).

Reprise and Warner bro. are the same. --Dwnsjane 01:17, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Seriously. Look at Bullet in a Bible, released as recently as November. It still says Reprise Records because they are signed with Reprise, a part of Warner Bros. Records. Remove from the main article, or I'll do it if I'm not lazy. --Guess Who 00:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Green day punk rock? ha!
Moved to /Genre disputes. p s y c h o m e l o  ( d i s  c  ussion)  13:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

There is an huge miss-understanding here
Well, I am well aware of the debate above yet I DON'T CARE because nobody looks at him anyway so don't refer me to it.

I think it is clear that MANY MANY people disagree with the Punk Rock classification! Look at all these discussions, look at the history page! I'm sure that It's not just because people hate Green Day (which I may admit are on to something). People who DO listen to Punk Rock are ANGRY because GREEN DAY ARE NOT PUNK ROCK. Everybody who DO listened to punk rock HATES GREENDAY. look at the history page, all these "Green Day are not punk they are stinky pop" edits! Maybe they're childish but they're right! The only people who do think they are Punk Rock are GREENDAY'S FANS. Nobody else thinks so. And why you ask? because Green Day has a pose of "reely kool and harkorr" heavy-rock-punk band. Well newsflash, Greem Day is Punk Pop and nothing besides it. I fukkin don't care what you're "consensus" is. Wikipedia should show the truth, and the discussion above is just some stupid fans arguing about something they don't know anything about. I will now edit the article in 4 days from now so if you have anything to say before, say now. Userbox from hell 21:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC) (a proud punk fan!)
 * Look at this great sentence i found at the Hardcore Punk article: other Pop punk bands that had a poppier sound, such as Green Day and blink-182, were often accused of being "sellouts" or "posers." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Userbox from hell (talk • contribs)


 * I'm saying now. People have argued and argued about this, and frankly I feel that the compromise we've got now is the best we're going to get. Don't mess with it or the whole genre thing will go back into edit wars. Also: refrain from personal attacks and respect the community. Calling people "stupid" and outright saying that you don't give a damn about a compromise that people have worked hard to create is not going to make you any friends, and it's going to make people less likely to listen to you, regardless of whether your arguments are good or not. Hbackman 22:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * OK. But I still think that someone who thinks Green Day is punk rock don't know what punk rock is and that's not the kind of editors that wikipedia needs. Maybe they do have few "punky" songs but that's like metallica has a few nu-metal (rap-metal) songs but you don't see it on their article do you. Userbox from hell 22:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I've made a new account beacuse I was blocked for bad username so don't confuse. Userbox from heaven 22:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to note that his second account was also blocked by an admin for a username violation. Pegasus1138 Talk 05:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

good--ChildOfMorella 17:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey, about that, look what Sellout has to say:

In the early 90's Green Day was signed with an independent punk record company called Lookout! Records, but in 1994 they signed with Reprise Records and released Dookie. The album drew scorn from the band's earliest fans. More recently and more commonly, Green Day was accused of selling out with American Idiot, since songs like Holiday, Boulevard of Broken Dreams, and Wake Me Up When September Ends are believed to be too pop-oriented, and receive airplay on top 40 radio stations, in spite of the fact that Green Day are not considered "punk" at all by most Punk rock fans. Some of these artists have defended these actions as a necessary evil in order to achieve widespread distribution of their records and messages, and argue that selling out only occurs when the artist compromises the music in order to appeal to the broadest mainstream audience.

Psychomelodic 18:38, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Green Day has been prey to "sellout" retaliation from diehard punk-rock fans ever since 1994. This situation replicates every other one when a one-time struggling group may add some commerialism and go "pop", much to the dismay of "anti-pop" fans, who will erroneously nudge them out their original genre. Nonetheless, the commerialism factor was the exact reason why at one time I personally defended the pop punk category by itself. Look at the commerialism of some of their songs? BUT, this was before I got this confused with true "pop-punk" artists like Simple Plan which clearly are an element of their own and in no way should undermine Green Day's efforts at putting out punk-rock tunes right up through their latest. Just have a listen to true pop-punk artists' music and Green Days' and you'll understand why both classifications need to be kept in. Drdr1989 06:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Argh, why are genres so important to people? As long as the music is good, who cares what the classification is? Halliwell3 21:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yyyyyyeah. Maybe we should change the genre to just "good"? (No, don't change it!!) Drdr1989 01:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone obviously cares... check out who's been removing other people's comments on the quiet. Fight censorship!  ◄ ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ  ►  03:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Talking about quiet, I think they may have been removed accidentally, let me fix.... Drdr1989 03:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Next album section
I really think that people should know what is going on with the band and how they are fairing in the studio, recording the new album. Thus I plead to have this section in the article as many bands has it. I don't think it's so much and such stupid explanations that Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball are stupid for me. I just want to have a smooth "new-album" section where people will be able to know what is going on with the new album. We are not talking about things of speculative nature. Yesterday, I only put up things which bandmembers said and which were said according to their website, so I really think that they were removed harshly and unjustly. Thus I plead for the reinstatement of this section and I really think that there should be one, where information will be put, when new facts have emerged about the new album.
 * Thanks for your attention. Painbearer 09:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * If you are able to find some verifiable sources about the next album and properly cite them, then there should be no problem with this section. However, the Cigarettes and Valentines article is littered with point of view, original research, and does not cite a single source. It's a very bad article and should not be linked to until it is cleaned up. Jtrost (T | C | #) 12:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think WP:NOT applies here since it undoubtedly is going to be speculative. The only exception to this I can see would be if a verified interview or something discussed their future plans and even then I doubt that would be enough for it's own section. Pegasus1138 Talk 00:22, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

That 'famous' website criticizing Green Day
I removed the link to this site, it can hardly qualify as criticism when its arguments read:

10. They suck. 9. They suck ass. 8. They suck smelly ass. 7. They suck smelly, crusty ass. 6. They suck smelly, crusty ass with bits of corn in it. 5. It might be more fun to eat your own intestines than listen to them. 4. They claim the music they play is punk rock, but it is really better described as a lot of crap. 3. Your mom likes them, because she likes bands that suck. 2. Your granpa is in the band. He is their fluffer.

And the #1 reason to HATE Green Day 1. They exist, therefore they should be hated.

The only thing it would be famous for, would be the horrible design (which most of the Geocities websites are notorious for, anyway). So what I'm suggesting is that if it's so essential to fling dirt at Green Day, write a little section of well-flowing prose, I'm sure it will be received much better.

And what's a 'fluffer', anyway...? -- O bli (Talk) ? 23:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine. I will write a paragraph called Criticism against Green Day. p s y c h o m e l o  ( d i s) c (ussion)  00:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I oppose writing a paragraph againt Green Day since there is almost no legitimate criticism of them that can't be grouped into one of the other sections and we don't need to give these whiny trolls their way by rewarding their behavior on this article. Pegasus1138 Talk 01:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I Strongly Agree with Pegasus1138. Please read the "Thanks for all your efforts" section on Obli's Talk Page. --Andy123 01:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Seeing you're more involved in this than I am, I trust your judgemnt on this -- O bli (Talk) ? 01:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Isn't all criticism is a POV? Yet Green Day is a very disputed band and the article should include section about it (I've made a summery here). And for Obli's question, fluffer is the girl in porn movies that "plays" with the actor before shootings so he'll be in shape. p s y c h o m e l o  ( d i s  c  ussion)  19:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Why did this discussion even start? From my point of view (ha ha) it looks like a load of nonsense to me... It's only a shame we can't tag external webpages with speedy tags. Kareeser|Talk! 02:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * There's criticism for every band on the planet, so I don't see why we should add a criticism section. It seems rather redundant (no pun intended).Starla Dear 17:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

My questions about GD
Have you seen "St Jimmy" videoclip?
 * I've seen it. I think it was taken from the Bullet in a Bible DVD.-Zingazin 18:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Who starts singing "Letterbomb"?

Mataga 16:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

It's kathleen Hanna Jacknife737 00:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

When did they join?
The article lists different join dates for both Billie Joe Armstrong and Mike Dirnt. Did they join in 1987 or 1988? It is not clear in the article. Perhaps somebody could fact-check for me? Kareeser|Talk! 17:49, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Last year in October Billie Joe said they were a band now for sixteen years, which would be 1989. However, if they started playing together when they were fourteen that would be 1986. I'm not sure if he considers the Sweet Children days, but they were playing together then. I don't know when exactly Sweet Children ended and Green Day started, though I think it was right before they released 39/Smooth. Basically I'm not exactly sure about much, which doesn't answer your question : | Starla Dear 15:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

First of all, they would not count Sweet Children days because since Green Day consists of Billie, Mike and Tre, they would have to include Tre who was not in Sweet Children. You would also think that they would start counting from when they made their first album (1039 smoothed out slappy hours) in 1990, so it's exactly 16 years. this is just my point of view on it ;]

Green day was formed in 1989 by John Kiffmeyer, Billie and Mike. Tre did not join until much later, after Kiffmeyer left the band for college. Despite having two of the same members, Sweet Children was not the same band.

Genre again
Moved to /Genre disputes. p s y c h o m e l o  ( d i s  c  ussion)  14:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The Network
AdelineRecords.net's homepage confirms the uncited statement in "The Network" section about sources close to Green Day not wanting The Network to perform on the AI tour. I have no idea how to cite sources in an article, so could someone please cite it? Thanks :] Acidophilisation 00:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Green Day are not punk they are stinky pop
Moved to /Genre disputes. p s y c h o m e l o  ( d i s  c  ussion)  21:45, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

"King for a Day"
Although it does contain horns, which many ska songs also do, I do not believe it should be called a ska song.


 * I agree. It's riffing on Mexican folk music, not ska. That's why the horn players would dress up in mariachi outfits during shows. WesleyDodds 01:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Stuff about American Idiot
The section on American Idiot says that St Jimmy and Jesus of Suburbia are two different people. Green Day have said that Jesus becomes St Jimmy during the song Are We The Waiting (that it's like his descent into madness) and that the Death of St Jimmy is him turning back into Jesus. St jimmy 18:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Does the article say that? Because yes, you're right. --Switch 06:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Page protection
I was looking thru the history of the article back to April 16th or so, and saw a lot of weird edits and vandalism. I suggest the article be semi-protected. Wikipeedio 14:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Green Day Infobox (at bottom)
I have some problems with the infobox at the bottom. Fistly, Green Day consists of Billy Joe, Mike Dirnt and Tre Cool. No one else. Second, the section famous songs should be changed to singles because famous songs is subjective. St jimmy 09:26, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I concur with the change from "famous songs" to "singles". WesleyDodds 06:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know how to do that? St jimmy 13:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You have to edit the template, but I suggest that if you don't know how to do it, ask for someone else to correct it if needed. Anyway, it says "Famous songs" because, for example, songs like J.A.R. aren't singles... they are just "famous songs". Thanks for your concern. --Zingazin 17:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * But "famous songs" is a totally subjective. I might disagree that JAR is a famous song. St jimmy 13:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Now that I think of it, "famous songs" is a bit subjective, but still, J.A.R. is indeed a famous song, as it was featured on International Superhits! and in the movie Angus. By the way, on the Angus article it says:
 * Green Day contributed J.A.R. (Jason Andrew Relva), a song written by bassist Mike Dirnt about his friend who died in a car accident when he was 19. This song peaked at number one on the Modern Rock Billboard charts of 1995. This song was later released on their 2001 compilation, International Superhits.
 * Hope this clears some things a little.-Zingazin 18:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * "J.A.R." certainly counts as a radio single I don't see why singles lising need to be limited to only those that were released commercially, since singles haven't sold that well in America anyway since the early 90s. WesleyDodds 07:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

nimrod IS NOT CAPITALIZED.
Stop capitalizing it. Look at the album's cover! It is not capitalized. Wikipeedio 17:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Influenced
MCR was not influenced by Green Day, the only member who noted Green Day was the second guitarist--their influences are all hardcore punk/emo (Thursday, Morissey. Fugazi, Black Flag, Misfits), metal/prog (Iron Maiden, Rush, Anthrax, Black Sabbath) and grunge (Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana). Green Day influenced them, but they aren't a NOTABLE influence, take note. Some bands that claim to be influenced by Green Day: Aiden, Armor for Sleep, Yellowcard, Good Charlotte.
 * Morrissey is hardcore punk/emo? Yeah, and Bob Marley is hip-hop. --Switch 08:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I was going to mention that too. I mean, he's Morrissey, after all, but he's not an emo artist.


 * I do believe I've seen MCR cite Green Day as an influence, though. WesleyDodds 21:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Well I know Gerard Way, Ray Toro and Frank Iero have all called at least Billie Joe Armstrong as an influence.Kokiri kid 01:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

VH1 Driven
I'm assuming the unsourced info in the early days section comes from the episode of VH1 Driven about the band. Trouble is I only saw bits of it, and we really need to source it. Can someone who saw it help out? And how do you source television documentaries anway? A lot of good information was presented in their Behind the Music episode. WesleyDodds 09:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

The Intro Paragraph
As someone who knew next to nothing about Green Day, I think the introductory paragraph could be improved by moving the listing of band members' names down a bit. The names mean nothing to me (not being a rock fan) - but a quick description of who the band is means a lot. Just a suggestion.

Photos
Are the Green Day's photos copyrighted (on their official website)?

--Mataga 16:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If they are on Green Day's website, then they probably are copyrighted. I'm not sure whether they could be used here or not... Wikipeedio 14:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Archiving
Would anyone be against me archiving this talk page? It's starting to get so long that it's annoying. W IKIPEE  DIO  13:43, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't we say that green day are a punk rock/punk pop band in the first paragraph DavidJJJ 19:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)]


 * Ok, that has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked. However, what you asked was discussed on a different page, I believe. I think it was on the Genre Disputes page, but I'm not sure. Anyway, there has already been a discussion on it and the majority said that it doesn't belong there (I think.) W  IKIPEE  DIO  17:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)