Talk:Greenwich/Archive 1

town and borough
Greenwich is both the name of the historic riverside town and the large borough in which it is situated. The London Borough of Greenwich also includes the towns of Woolwich, Eltham and Plumstead. The Millenium Dome and North Greenwich Station are about three miles from Greenwich Town Centre, north of Charlton.

The University of Greenwich and the Trinity College of Music are now based in the former Naval College buildings between Greenwich Park and the river. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.92.198.75 (talk • contribs).

East Greenwich Library
I have deleted the image of East Greenwich Library, as it is non free. Please take another free picture if you want to keep it. Justinc 20:47, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Jack Barret
Removed "Jack Barret born in Greenwich born 1989 he is mad chill." Ninevah 23:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Most locals pronounce Greenwich more like "gren-idge" (to rhyme with "fridge") than "gren-itch", but I'm not sure what that should look like in IPA, so I've not modified anything... edd 20:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've taken out the phrase 'by the locals'. Do we say "New York pronounced 'noo york' by the locals"? How the locals say it is how it is.
 * Eddpayne is correct, 'gren-idge' would be the way any local would say it . If you weren’t from South East London you might go for 'gren-itch'. Only a lost American tourist would pronounce the 'w'.  Junius 12:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


 * There seems to be a strong view that 'grenn-idge' is the way the locals pronounce it, and a sound opinion that 'how the locals say it is how it is'. And yet there's still no mention of this pronunciation in the article; just 'grenn-itch' and 'grinn-itch'. Russ London 19:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * 'How the locals say it is how it is' is somewhat debatable. New Yorkers say "Noo Yoik", Liverpudlians say "Liverpewel" and south-east Londoners also say "Ew'am" (for Eltham). Is there an official Wikipedia policy we could turn to here? Mattmm 15:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Lol, New Yoik would be if the word was properly New Yerk. You're thinking of 'yowuck' Does anyone know WHY greenwich has such an odd pronunciation? I can only assume the word was actually green wich (which means green beach or something, right?) in antiquity..

Isn't the bottom line that no-one really says "grin", everyone (with an idea) says "gren" or thereabouts, so surely the article should be updated?


 * Longman Pronunciation Dictionary by John C. Wells gives 'gren ɪtʃ, with 'grɪn ɪtʃ and 'gren ɪdʒ as alternatives, or gren-itch, grin-itch, gren-idge in "normal" spelling. LDHan 16:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah it should be gren-idge, some of the train announcers (about 10 years ago) would pronouce the w that annoyed me and I was only 8 lol Wolfmankurd 20:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I've added a pronunciation sound file with the standard pronunciation (as per Wells) of /'grenɪtʃ/. Hassocks5489 (talk) 22:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I am a local and the "working class" locals infact pronounce it "Grin" not "gren", it is infact the prevelant pronounciation in south east london, only posh people and non locals say "gren"!!! I am a local and the "working class" locals infact pronounce it "Grin" not "gren", it is the prevelant pronounciation in south east london!!! Reggybabe 16:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Location of Greenwich
OS give the location of Greenwich as TQ395775 which does not appear to be directly on the meridian. MRSC • Talk 09:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Well the meridian goes through the middle of the park, a short way from the town centre. Artybrad 23:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

History
When was it founded and when was it annexed by London?
 * It's surprising there is no history section- at the moment it looks like a tourist guide...Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 15:25, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Is that a bit better? Probably needs a copyed, and someone else might want to put a slightly different spin on it. There's the wider history of the boro' to consider too, it became popular again from about 1750, and many of the houses (on the hill) date from that period into the Georgian era. The history of the market is worth considering too, I think it's Carolinian. There's the almshouse (below) and also Greenwich quay and the sea capts' houses. Oh, and a para on the observatory. Also, more varied refs to be cited. Kbthompson 10:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Bus details
HTH Kbthompson 10:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Added pedestrian, cycle, revised river travel.
 * Removed extraneous bus detail, timetables and frequency should be on the bus page (they don't all exist, but that's where they should be)

Anomoly
Can anyone explain why there is a reference to "Trinity College" in a 1689 will here when the Trinity College of Music was founded in 1872 and the Trinity Hospital has supposedly only been known as "Trinity Hospital" ? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 23:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Many almshouses were known as colleges at their establishment, I think the Charterhouse almshouse is much the same. The model was an Oxbridge College - residents had rooms but ate and (were required to) worship in common. That's the best I can offer. Kbthompson 10:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Top image
Do we really have to have the boring map in the infobox- surely the article would look much more attractive with a photo (such as the one on the UNESCO box?). Gustav von Humpelschmumpel
 * I moved the box and it looks a lot better IMO. It would be nice if we could get the other London boxes to give a space for an image as all the U.S. ones do (i.e. New York City, Chicago). Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 12:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * One can put a "static image" into the UK place infobox - see Runcorn, Oldham, Neilston. I think the intention is (or at least was originally) that every place eventually gets a photo in its infobox. -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Sister cities?
I would urge the people helping to maintain the page subject to add its list of sister cities. --enm 20:50, 11 Sep. 2007 (UTC)
 * The town is not a political entity. Its parent, the London Borough of Greenwich would be the appropriate place for such information. Kbthompson (talk) 12:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Ft
Template:Ft has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — pete 14:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed to convert - yachts aren't generally measured in cms anyway ... 8^) Kbthompson (talk) 14:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)