Talk:Grissel Jaffray

Contested deletion
I am struggling to understand why this page is marked for speedy deletion as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax. Grissel Jaffrey was a real woman in Dundee, the last woman to be burned for witchcraft in the city and am adding her page as part of a project adding Scottish women's history to Wikipedia. This page is still a draft only and has not been published live. Further information and sources have still to be added. I do not believe this falls under pure hoax or vandalism. --Kirsty McKeown (talk) 08:06, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


 * This seems to have been a rather hasty unwarranted decision by, especially as the article was being developed in connection with an editathon. In the light of the above, I think it would be reasonable to restore the draft so that it can be enhanced by , a capable new editor. Grissel Jaffrey is covered in a number of sources: , , . Her life has also inspired fiction: . (cc )--Ipigott (talk) 09:46, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I have asked RHaworth to restore the draft. Sorry ― Abelmoschus  Esculentus  11:25, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You will see that the draft has now been restored. It think it would be useful to add appropriate sources. Please let me know if you need any help. (cc {)--Ipigott (talk) 15:44, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sadly i was on holiday and missed this debate - however I did not want it to remain abandoned so I have moved it to main space with some refs. Thx to Kirsty for starting it. Is there anyone who could take pix in Dundee of her plaque, gravemarker and mosaic? Victuallers (talk) 11:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all the help with this, I am still getting to grips with this and it is appreciated. I will take photos of the plaque, mosaic and marker stone this week and upload them to commons for inclusion in the article. Kirsty McKeown (talk) 21:28, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Categories and can she be called a Dundonian?
As the article gives Grissel Jaffra's place of birth as Aberdeen I have moved this article from Category:People from Dundee - which as it says in the category page is "only for people actually born in Dundee" to Category:People associated with Dundee which is the category for "people with a strong association with Dundee", which she certainly fits into. On a related point however can Grissel Jaffray be described as a "Dundonian woman burned at the stake" if she was not born in Dundee. I am not sure if there is a hard and fast rule, but my own experience is that anyone in Dundee calling themselves a Dundonian would have to actually be born in Dundee. Someone who had lived in the city for a long time, but born elsewhere would usually not be classed as such. However I also know that some class Mary Slessor who lived in Dundee only from about the age of 11, but was born in Aberdeen as a Dundonian, though I would note that her wikipedia article does not make this claim. The Dundee article simply says "Natives of Dundee are called Dundonians", which leaves the issue slightly open to interpretation. I would welcome thoughts on this. Dunarc (talk) 23:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have edited to remove Dundonian and say Scottish woman as I think that is safer. Dunarc (talk) 21:19, 17 January 2021 (UTC)