Talk:Guangdong/Archive 1

NPOV problems
Also, if you think that there are NPOV problems with the page, please discuss them. I have no idea what the problem with the page is.

It would really help if you at least mention your objections. I have no idea what they are....

This article is total garbage, similar to the Breanna, North Carolina and BethpageHillBrier crap that appeared on here earlier. There is no Guangdong and the Chinese race is not "superior".


 * If there's no such thing as Guangdong, how come it gets 502,000 hits on Google ? Wondering simply, -- Infrogmation 05:32 24 May 2003 (UTC)

1) I don't see anywhere in the article where it implies the Chinese race is superior

2) What do you mean there is no Guangdong? The province exists, and I'm not aware of any naming/boundary controversy regarding it.

Also, if you think that there are NPOV problems with the page, please discuss them. I have no idea what the problem with the page is.

It would really help if you at least mention your objections. I have no idea what they are....

This article is total garbage, similar to the Breanna, North Carolina and BethpageHillBrier crap that appeared on here earlier. There is no Guangdong and the Chinese race is not "superior".


 * If there's no such thing as Guangdong, how come it gets 502,000 hits on Google ? Wondering simply, -- Infrogmation 05:32 24 May 2003 (UTC)


 * What scares me about Wiki is this heavy dependence on Google. Google is not the beeall and endall of human knowledge!


 * I'm actually fascinated by your assertion that there is no Guangdong. Are you asserting that the province is a figment of people's imaginations or do you have a political ax to grind?  I don't know of any political controversies regarding Guangdong.


 * If you don't explain your objections in enough detail for people to understand what they are, then you are a troll, and I will ignore you.

Yue
I guess that legendary ethnicity was called 越 rather than 粵. Gonna check that out. --Yacht 18:01, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)

Guangdong's population
The 30 million extra population was a recent release (well, around a month ago) by the provincial people's government of Guangdong, by adding the number of non-locals (people from other provinces) residing in the province. &mdash; Instantnood 10:53 Mar 1 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, can you add it in the demographics section? Something along the lines of: "millions of migrant workers, though not counted in the official statistics, are now living and working in Guangdong... if these statistics are added, then Guangdong is the most populous province of China..." etc. Right now I think it's better to keep an official statistic given out by the national government statistics bureau in the infobox, just like all other provinces. -- ran (talk) 16:57, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)


 * I've added it. Thanks for alerting me to this very interesting development, btw. ;) -- ran (talk) 18:42, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

This report by TDM talks about it. I'm looking on the web for more related reports. :-P  &mdash; Instantnood 21:39 Mar 1 2005 (UTC)

I've been on the Guangdong government statistics website, and they seem to give the figure of 80 million for population, local and migrant included, in their report for 2004? :| This seems way off from the latest figure of 110 million. Does anyone know what is going on? -- ran (talk) 05:46, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)


 * According to TDM, the statistics seems like hadn't been released. Should be from the mouths of officials. &mdash; Instantnood 10:59 Mar 2 2005 (UTC)

Guangdong´s population is 116 million people, including Hong Kong and Macau, so almost as large as Japan´s 126 million...--80.30.182.171 (talk) 01:26, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

comment by another user
I think the Chinese character "han4" oldstyle in the section on opera is actually the new style. Can someone who is a native speaker verify and fix?

De jure official language of the Guangdong Province
Currently (as of 2007-07-13), the article states that the de jure official language of Guangdong is Taishanese. This is surprising, as Putonghua is the national official language of the PRC, and Cantonese is the dialect of Guangzhou, the capital of Guangdong. The Chinese Wikipedia article on the same subject does not mention any provincial official language. English Wikipedia articles on other PRC provinces generally mention no provincial official language. I conducted a brief Internet search and no corroboration from non-Wikipedia sources could be found.

I suspect that the information is erroneous. If nobody can back up the assertion with a verifiable, authoritative source, I think it should be removed from the article. --64.236.170.228 13:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's nonsense, I've removed it. Taishanese is only notable outside China because many Chinese Americans have family origins in the Taishan area, in Guangdong it is purely a local dialect spoken by local people, it is not even spoken outside the Taishan area and to claim it's the "De jure official language of Guangdong Province" is ridiculous. I've also removed similar edits added to Taishan dialect by the same anon user. LDHan 14:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Map request
The article could use a good map showing internal features and the names of neighboring provinces and other entities. -- Beland (talk) 08:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

FDI
I'm surprised that one of the most important factors in the late 20th century Guangdong economy, foreign investment, isn't mentioned at all in this article. DOR (HK) (talk) 03:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Sun Yat-Sen
User:HkCaGu has insisted on the line "The province was the homeland and base of operations of Sun Yat-Sen, the widely accepted founder of modern China." This is blatant propaganda from Taiwan. He is obviously not the founder of modern China. But a revolutionary that has no influence on the mainland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.47.128 (talk) 08:35, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Judging from your edit history, including calling Sun "the former leader of China's renegade province of Taiwan", you have no clues in what you're talking about. You're advised to stay away from this subject until you've learned the history of modern China. HkCaGu (talk) 09:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Origin of name
This section in the infobox is mistitled. It doesn't give the origin of the name; it simply gives a translation.119.142.152.62 (talk) 23:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Emigration to USA
There ought to be a section on Canton's role in Chinese-American migration, and perhaps a mention of Sister Ping. Unfree (talk) 16:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit
Changed "overtook" to "surpassed" in the first section, as it may cause some confusion. - Ennybey (talk) 06:42, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Map of Guangdong Pronvince lacking HK and Macau
This is just ridiculous. Why isn't Hong Kong and Macau shown in the map of Guangdong? Are they not part of China?202.85.49.86 (talk) 02:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Hong Kong SAR and Macau SAR are parts of PRC, but not parts of Guangdong or of any other province - the special administrative regions are at least provincial-level entities in their own right. Vmenkov (talk) 03:12, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

You are right: Guangdong´s population is 116 million including Hong Kong and Macau.--80.30.182.171 (talk) 01:22, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Pronunciation
In Wade-Giles it is reffered to as KwangTung and is written in Dutch as Kwang-Toeng. Is the proper pronunciation Kwehng-Toong in english phonetics?--82.134.154.25 (talk) 17:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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Current leadership
Does anyone have refs to confirm the current leadership of Guangdong? Ma Xingrui has been moved to Xinjiang to replace Chen Quanguo. Did Wang Weizhong replace him per Ma's article, or did he replace Li Xi as this page https://www.newsgd.com/node_99363c4f3b/9bf825ee0b.shtml states and then where did Li go if so? - Indefensible (talk) 19:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

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Evaluate the article
The article has a clear lead section that briefly introduced Guangdong's geographical location, economy, population, economy, and culture. The lead section begins with an introductory sentence and describes concisely basic information about the topic and the major section of the article.

Everything in the article is relevant to the topic and is also up-to-date. However, there is a mistake in the title "Politics." It describes that "Guangdong is governed by a dual-party system like the rest of China," which is totally wrong. Every province in mainland China is governed by a single-Communist-Party nation, the word "dual-party" is not current. Taiwan is the only province that is governed by another party, KMT, in China. As far as Guangdong is concerned, there is only one party that governs. Except for this, I didn't identify any notable equity gaps and I don't think that the article underrepresent or misrepresent historically marginalized populations.

Most of the article is neutral except the "Politics" that I have talked about above. There are no viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented.

The links are working, and sources support the claims in the article. Each fact is referenced with a reliable reference, except the "Politics." The information on "Politics" comes from another Wikipedia article "Politics of Guangdong" which has an incorrect introductory sentence. Other sources come from a diverse array of authors and publications.

The article is well-written and well-organized. There are no grammatical or spelling errors. The article's images are well-captioned.

The talk page of the article shows conversations that corrected mistakes, questioned contexts, and explained others' questions. This article has been rated as C-Class. It is a part of WikiProject China / Provinces, WikiProject Geography, and WikiProject Politics. The way Wikipedia discusses the topic is not much different from the way we've talked about it in class.

Overall, it is a clear and neutral article that is able to let people know about Guangdong. However, some information about Guangdong in the article is incorrect, such as the title "Politics." Except that, the article is well-developed. Chriscy uvic (talk) 22:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

More on History Please
This article is rather superficial in its treatment of the history of Guangdong. Much more detail is required, particularly information about the conquest of the province and the subsequent genocides (including cultural) against its local peoples by the Chinese military. -Vietnamese

Concurrance
I definitely agree with the above poster--the history section is very incomplete. Zhujiangshuiguai (talk) 09:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Vietnamese
Why is Vietnamese listed for Guangdong? Vietnamese isn't an official language of the province, nor are there any statistically significant number of Vietnamese in the province, nor has Guangdong ever been part of Vietnam, nor does Vietnam have territorial claims on Guangdong. --Yuje 18:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess the Gin people are in present-day Guangxi, aren't they? &mdash; Instantnood 20:28, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

In the introduction section of guangdong, what do the author said about not to play with my guangdong, quoted from the author.What is the exact meaning of this phrase?

Vietnamese regards the Nan Yuet Kingdom is a part of their history.In fact,they are right.VietNamese is only a group in Cantonese Nations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.255.102.146 (talk) 06:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What? Nan Yue is not a sole Vietnamese kingdom, it's made of different tribes from the south with it's leader from center china. Today, the people in Guangdong has nothing to do with Vietnamese nor have any extraordinary connection or does people in guangdong ever propose such connection. Stop mess around. There are other different dialect groups in GD other than Cantonese (Yue), I'm myself part of that Min Dialect group. --24.199.98.121 (talk) 03:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Shenzhen, Guangdong, China
(deleted what essentially amounted to somebody advertising their own translation/interpretation/tour guide services in the province. This isn't the place for ads, folks.) -MattShepherd